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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:18:28 +0100
From: Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org>
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Subject: [sgala@apache.org: Re: aesthetic changes to the NOTICE file]
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Hello,

Please see the following thread:

  http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200808.mbox/%3c20080818110801.GD22326@bytesexual.org%3e

I agree with the comments that before any change could take place this should be
agreed on by legal-discuss or a change be made in the official documentation.

Regarding the following text:

  Apache [PRODUCT_NAME]
  Copyright [yyyy] The Apache Software Foundation

  This product includes software developed at
  The Apache Software Foundation (http://www.apache.org/).

  - Source Header and Copyright Notice Policy, http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#notice

My questions would be:

 * Does the non-textual formatting of this matter?

 * Would the following be an okay variation, or modification to the documentation:

   Apache [PRODUCT NAME] NOTICE
   ============================

   Copyright 2008, The Apache Software Foundation (http://www.apache.org/)

This is clearly a very trivial matter, and one primarily about aesthetics, but I
think a clarification would be nice as I certainly prefer the latter format.

Many thanks,

----- Forwarded message from Santiago Gala <sgala@apache.org> -----

Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:51:20 +0200
From: Santiago Gala <sgala@apache.org>
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Subject: Re: aesthetic changes to the NOTICE file

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 03:59:43PM +0100, ant elder wrote:
>> I'd be wary of doing that if i was you. Whether or not it means the same
>> thing legally this is clearly specified in ASF policy at
>> http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#notice and if you change from
>> that you may find some other stickler delaying or blocking one of you
>> release votes due to any differences.
>
> Gah, well I thought as much. IANAL but it looks okay to me. :)
>

You might ask to the legal team, as I'm not sure of the rationale of
the sentence that you missed in the NOTICE file and how much
"required" it is. The part of src-headers we are referring to was
committed by Cliff Schmith, then Legal VP, on Jul 17, 2006, r422600
and this part of it has never been changed since then.

In my opinion, stating that the product includes software developed at
the ASF is probably redundant, given the LICENSE file that governs the
collective work. I guess it is there so that the remaining "portions"
make sense together with a given "whole".

In any case, as it is current policy, it should be followed, and
changes to it discussed in legal-discuss.

Regards
Santiago

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