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From sebb <seb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: 3rd party policy
Date Wed, 04 Jun 2008 09:58:20 GMT
On 04/06/2008, Henri Yandell <bayard@apache.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:33 PM, Roy T. Fielding <fielding@gbiv.com> wrote:
>  > On Jun 3, 2008, at 5:27 PM, Henri Yandell wrote:
>  >
>  >> If the AL or ASL licensed project was from outside Apache, then you
>  >> definitely have to have a mention in NOTICE and you should call it out
>  >> license wise.
>  >
>  > No.  NOTICE only contains attributions that are required by the
>  > distributed software's license or explicitly requested by the author.
>
>
> Not disagreeing... I think :) Would AL 2.0 (iff there is a NOTICE) and
>  ASL 1.1 both be requesting those?
>
>  The (weird?) view I have, I suspect, is that the NOTICE/LICENSE files
>  should be focused on the source code of the project and not a binary,
>  and decoupled, third party package that happens to ship in the same
>  tar.gz/zip. Decoupled packages should have their licenses listed
>  separately.
>

If a Java binary download ships with 3rd party jars, surely that means
that the source depends on those jars, so it makes sense to reference
these in the source distribution as well?

>  >> If it's from inside Apache, then you should have a mention in the
>  >> NOTICE (if you actually put it in your source imo) and the license
>  >> should be pointed to.
>  >
>  > No, all Apache software has the same relevant notice text -- it only
>  > needs to be mentioned once.  The collective copyright thing that
>  > the board added a couple years ago (silly, IMO) is only applicable
>  > to the package for that mentioned project.
>
>
> Given that that's there though - the 'correct' way to handle it seems
>  to be to mention it for each separate NOTICE.  It seems okay for us to
>  roll it all together because we're the same entity, but the NOTICE
>  files may have other things mentioned in them and having people
>  concatenate the various NOTICE files seems like a poor solution in the
>  decoupled world.
>
>  Sebb talks about not having seen the approach of a package structure
>  with licenses, (ie: lib/foo/LICENSE + lib/foo/foo.jar +
>  lib/foo/NOTICE), but it's very commonly used in Java distributions. In
>  C, usually GPL, I find it's more common for a single COPYING file to
>  have the licensing and copyrights. Both make a lot of a lot of sense
>  and it depends on the decoupling.
>
>  Basically your typical Java download is more of a collective work,
>  while your typical C download is more of a derivative work (to abuse
>  the legal terms). Scripting languages tend to be more like C - I guess
>  it depends whether you usually ship binary or source.
>
>  Hen
>
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