Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 32835 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2007 06:57:39 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 21 Oct 2007 06:57:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 34850 invoked by uid 500); 21 Oct 2007 06:57:25 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 34655 invoked by uid 500); 21 Oct 2007 06:57:25 -0000 Mailing-List: contact legal-discuss-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list legal-discuss@apache.org Received: (qmail 34644 invoked by uid 99); 21 Oct 2007 06:57:25 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:57:25 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of hyandell@gmail.com designates 209.85.146.176 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.146.176] (HELO wa-out-1112.google.com) (209.85.146.176) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 21 Oct 2007 06:57:29 +0000 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id m28so973134wag for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:56:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=Xagm0WBoYFfxzvaGVNGZWrLKNWso59u2qNFCO76dmjc=; b=D8uL/6PbxpxQ+VUgOXtQ6g03fH0pn8jgk1B87jTQUWTO0FFukZjXCgtx/uuS+4f/6axb9QRWh7sMOr8GJIvMmx8n10i1wUDCJwcIfdVVTSNgpCvsf7mAMEic5jjJlDT9S9hOWzAXWF+5dE5TyA/3yHBQocH7LZU+dQdq9n3cgoQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=g7SPiw+uYiAY7wJVqNe5HwN6nGlCzrZxNRShwUn9XNuvtD3xkb9hIAtjCMyQSbZI3T+Xt+wNI8D62kK6SToKc82kkutbCLbmwPJEXgqUNRv9fdCCbDzRw9D2Tg1hp7HRlmKaHRh5/xpjQCv4o7rpYy01PhdHMhz8cM2nre9cCRs= Received: by 10.115.109.1 with SMTP id l1mr3918574wam.1192949819134; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.89.17 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2d12b2f00710202356p3f5f9f03l923fd281463a62b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:56:59 -0700 From: "Henri Yandell" Sender: hyandell@gmail.com To: legal-discuss@apache.org Subject: Re: Third-party licensing policy: OSL 3.0 In-Reply-To: <047101c81328$b1affee0$6401a8c0@LROSENTOSHIBA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <510143ac0710190412u1de10003if3aef4e8dc0681e1@mail.gmail.com> <510143ac0710190625jf03515cy24b2bbefcc4c7064@mail.gmail.com> <040401c81262$5ea0ca70$6401a8c0@LROSENTOSHIBA> <2d12b2f00710200042j7eb3b74cqe25d07b292506231@mail.gmail.com> <047101c81328$b1affee0$6401a8c0@LROSENTOSHIBA> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2c114fb7f6d3fbc1 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On 10/20/07, Lawrence Rosen wrote: > Henri Yandell wrote: > > I'm sure this will irk Larry, but one source of commentary on both OSL > > and AFL is the GPL compatibility page: > > > > "Recent versions of the Open Software License have a term which > > requires distributors to try to obtain explicit assent to the license. > > This means that distributing OSL software on ordinary FTP sites, > > sending patches to ordinary mailing lists, or storing the software in > > an ordinary version control system, is arguably a violation of the > > license and would subject you to possible termination of the license. > > What irks me is that this is more hogwash from FSF. "Reasonable efforts" to > obtain express assent can be entirely compatible with FTP distribution or > the other techniques they mention. OSL 3.0 does not require specific assent > mechanisms. > > > The FSF assessment seems pretty fair; there's no way we'll be making > > any effort to get assent beyond putting the license in the LICENSE > > file. > > If what you do now is "reasonable under the circumstances," what makes you > think that OSL/AFL 3.0 would require more than that? My thinking was that more than the license file would be needed to imply assent; partly because I was thinking the license told us to maintain the license file. In OSL's case, it does, we would have to keep the OSL license, but with AFL we could relicense the AFL work as AL 2.0 if we so wanted. People do click throughs on the web for downloads, so that would be reasonable under the circumstances of a download; however we do mirroring with an extremely low level of requirement on the mirrors - flat files only - so that would make it unreasonable for us to do clickthroughs. If Sam/Legal committee are happy with that, then I propose Category A for AFL and Category B for OSL. Hen --------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER: Discussions on this list are informational and educational only. Statements made on this list are not privileged, do not constitute legal advice, and do not necessarily reflect the opinions and policies of the ASF. See for official ASF policies and documents. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: legal-discuss-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: legal-discuss-help@apache.org