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From "Henri Yandell" <bay...@apache.org>
Subject Re: svn commit: r589344 - in /infrastructure/site/trunk: docs/dev/committers.html docs/dev/sitemap.html xdocs/dev/committers.xml xdocs/dev/sitemap.xml
Date Sun, 28 Oct 2007 15:39:55 GMT
We definitely now accept email (and have for a while). I'm not sure of
the discussion legally - that'd be something for Sam and Jim, and I
think I've seen Roy comment on it in the past.

Hen

On 10/28/07, Gav.... <brightoncomputers@brightontown.com.au> wrote:
> I am just checking here,
>
> "...It would be easier for the ASF to use more modern methods (for example
> signed emails) but the legal standing of documents sent by these methods has
> not yet been well tested by US courts. The legal standing of documents sent
> by FAX and postal mail has been well established in the US courts and so
> these method must be used..."
>
>
> Recent weeks has seen one persons reference to someone saying to email a CLA
> to push the request through quicker, because the original and subsequent fax
> was lost/delayed (possibly). This then snowballed into other conversations
> and subsequent changes to docs and now this one.
>
> I just want to check, has the legal standing as described above now been
> clarified or have we been too hasty with all these doc changes?
>
> I may have missed an email where all this was ok'ed.
>
> Gav...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bayard@apache.org [mailto:bayard@apache.org]
> > Sent: Sunday, 28 October 2007 9:46 PM
> > To: site-cvs@apache.org
> > Subject: svn commit: r589344 - in /infrastructure/site/trunk:
> > docs/dev/committers.html docs/dev/sitemap.html xdocs/dev/committers.xml
> > xdocs/dev/sitemap.xml
> >
> > Author: bayard
> > Date: Sun Oct 28 05:45:37 2007
> > New Revision: 589344
> >
> > URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=589344&view=rev
> > Log:
> > Removing the question on why we can't email CLAs (we can!) and modifying
> > the previous question to cover email too
> >
> > Modified:
> >     infrastructure/site/trunk/docs/dev/committers.html
> >     infrastructure/site/trunk/docs/dev/sitemap.html
> >     infrastructure/site/trunk/xdocs/dev/committers.xml
> >     infrastructure/site/trunk/xdocs/dev/sitemap.xml
> >
> > Modified: infrastructure/site/trunk/docs/dev/committers.html
> > URL:
> > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/infrastructure/site/trunk/docs/dev/committers
> > .html?rev=589344&r1=589343&r2=589344&view=diff
> > ==========================================================================
> > ====
> > --- infrastructure/site/trunk/docs/dev/committers.html (original)
> > +++ infrastructure/site/trunk/docs/dev/committers.html Sun Oct 28 05:45:37
> > 2007
> > @@ -158,10 +158,6 @@
> >  How Long Will It Take For A CLA To Be Registered?
> >   </a>
> >  </li>
> > -<li><a href='#cla-submission'>
> > -Why does Apache insist that CLA's be submitted either by Post or FAX?
> > - </a>
> > -</li>
> >  <li><a href='#new-project'>
> >  How do I start a new project in the ASF?
> >   </a>
> > @@ -361,8 +357,8 @@
> >  When a <a href="http://www.apache.org/licenses/#clas">CLA</a> is
> > submitted, there are several stages to the process.
> >  </p>
> >  <p>
> > -The first is that it has to arrive in the hands of an Officer of the ASF.
> > For FAX'd documents, this is quick.
> > -For smail'd documents, this is sometimes slow and often very slow if
> > posted from outside the US.
> > +The first is that it has to arrive in the hands of an Officer of the ASF.
> > For emailed and faxed documents, this is quick.
> > +For snail mailed documents, this is sometimes slow and often very slow if
> > posted from outside the US.
> >  </p>
> >  <p>
> >  The second is that the document has to be acknowledged by the ASF
> > Secretary. Acknowledged documents are noted in the
> > @@ -372,20 +368,6 @@
> >  The third stage is waiting until you know that the ASF has registered the
> > document. ASF members can watch the commit
> >  records or check the file. Others will need to wait until Jim's <a
> > href="http://people.apache.org/~jim/committers.html">page</a>
> >  is regenerated from that file and so they may experience an additional
> > delay.
> > -</p>
> > -</div>
> > -<h3>
> > -   <a name="cla-submission">Why does Apache insist that CLA's be
> > submitted either by Post or FAX?</a>
> > -</h3>
> > -<div class="section-content">
> > -<p>
> > -These are legal documents.
> > -</p>
> > -<p>
> > -It would be easier for the ASF to use more modern methods (for example
> > signed emails)
> > -but the legal standing of documents sent by these methods has not yet
> > been well tested by US courts. The legal
> > -standing of documents sent by FAX and postal mail has been well
> > established in the US courts and so these
> > -method must be used.
> >  </p>
> >  </div>
> >  <h3>
> >
> > Modified: infrastructure/site/trunk/docs/dev/sitemap.html
> > URL:
> > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/infrastructure/site/trunk/docs/dev/sitemap.ht
> > ml?rev=589344&r1=589343&r2=589344&view=diff
> > ==========================================================================
> > ====
> > --- infrastructure/site/trunk/docs/dev/sitemap.html (original)
> > +++ infrastructure/site/trunk/docs/dev/sitemap.html Sun Oct 28 05:45:37
> > 2007
> > @@ -194,9 +194,6 @@
> >  <a href="committers.html#cla-registration">How Long Will It Take For A
> > CLA To Be Registered?</a>
> >  </li>
> >  <li>
> > -<a href="committers.html#cla-submission">Why does Apache insist that
> > CLA's be submitted either by Post or FAX?</a>
> > -</li>
> > -<li>
> >  <a href="committers.html#new-project">How do I start a new project in the
> > ASF?</a>
> >  </li>
> >  <li>
> > @@ -553,6 +550,21 @@
> >  </ul>
> >  </li>
> >  <li>
> > +<a href="list-setup.html">Procedures for Setting up a Mailing List</a>
> > +<ul>
> > +<li>Procedures for Setting up a Mailing List<ul>
> > +<li>Contents</li>
> > +<li>
> > +<a href="list-setup.html#creation">Creating the List</a>
> > +</li>
> > +<li>
> > +<a href="list-setup.html#browsing">Making the List Browsable</a>
> > +</li>
> > +</ul>
> > +</li>
> > +</ul>
> > +</li>
> > +<li>
> >  <a href="machines.html">Machines List</a>
> >  <ul>
> >  <li>Machines List<ul>
> > @@ -618,6 +630,17 @@
> >  </ul>
> >  </li>
> >  <li>
> > +<a href="mail-admin.html">Mailing Lists Administration (DRAFT)</a>
> > +<ul>
> > +<li>Mailing Lists Administration (DRAFT)<ul>
> > +<li>
> > +<a href="mail-admin.html#help">Help Wanted!</a>
> > +</li>
> > +</ul>
> > +</li>
> > +</ul>
> > +</li>
> > +<li>
> >  <a href="mirror-step-by-step.html">Step-By-Step Guide To Mirroring
> > Releases</a>
> >  <ul>
> >  <li>Contents</li>
> > @@ -1508,6 +1531,24 @@
> >  <li>
> >  <a href="styleguide.html#examples">Details and Examples</a>
> >  </li>
> > +</ul>
> > +</li>
> > +<li>
> > +<a href="svn-anon.html">Anonymous Subversion access</a>
> > +<ul>
> > +<li>Anonymous Subversion access</li>
> > +</ul>
> > +</li>
> > +<li>
> > +<a href="svn-committer.html">Committer Subversion access</a>
> > +<ul>
> > +<li>Committer Subversion access</li>
> > +</ul>
> > +</li>
> > +<li>
> > +<a href="svn-faq.html">FAQs about Subversion at ASF</a>
> > +<ul>
> > +<li>FAQs about Subversion at ASF</li>
> >  </ul>
> >  </li>
> >  <li>
> >
> > Modified: infrastructure/site/trunk/xdocs/dev/committers.xml
> > URL:
> > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/infrastructure/site/trunk/xdocs/dev/committer
> > s.xml?rev=589344&r1=589343&r2=589344&view=diff
> > ==========================================================================
> > ====
> > --- infrastructure/site/trunk/xdocs/dev/committers.xml (original)
> > +++ infrastructure/site/trunk/xdocs/dev/committers.xml Sun Oct 28 05:45:37
> > 2007
> > @@ -121,8 +121,8 @@
> >  <p>
> >  When a <a href='http://www.apache.org/licenses/#clas'>CLA</a> is
> > submitted, there are several stages to the process.
> >  </p><p>
> > -The first is that it has to arrive in the hands of an Officer of the ASF.
> > For FAX'd documents, this is quick.
> > -For smail'd documents, this is sometimes slow and often very slow if
> > posted from outside the US.
> > +The first is that it has to arrive in the hands of an Officer of the ASF.
> > For emailed and faxed documents, this is quick.
> > +For snail mailed documents, this is sometimes slow and often very slow if
> > posted from outside the US.
> >  </p><p>
> >  The second is that the document has to be acknowledged by the ASF
> > Secretary. Acknowledged documents are noted in the
> >  appropriate file in the foundation repository.
> > @@ -130,19 +130,6 @@
> >  The third stage is waiting until you know that the ASF has registered the
> > document. ASF members can watch the commit
> >  records or check the file. Others will need to wait until Jim's <a
> > href='http://people.apache.org/~jim/committers.html'>page</a>
> >  is regenerated from that file and so they may experience an additional
> > delay.
> > -</p>
> > -</section>
> > -
> > -<section id="cla-submission">
> > -<title>Why does Apache insist that CLA's be submitted either by Post or
> > FAX?</title>
> > -<p>
> > -These are legal documents.
> > -</p>
> > -<p>
> > -It would be easier for the ASF to use more modern methods (for example
> > signed emails)
> > -but the legal standing of documents sent by these methods has not yet
> > been well tested by US courts. The legal
> > -standing of documents sent by FAX and postal mail has been well
> > established in the US courts and so these
> > -method must be used.
> >  </p>
> >  </section>
> >
> >
> > Modified: infrastructure/site/trunk/xdocs/dev/sitemap.xml
> > URL:
> > http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/infrastructure/site/trunk/xdocs/dev/sitemap.x
> > ml?rev=589344&r1=589343&r2=589344&view=diff
> > ==========================================================================
> > ====
> > --- infrastructure/site/trunk/xdocs/dev/sitemap.xml (original)
> > +++ infrastructure/site/trunk/xdocs/dev/sitemap.xml Sun Oct 28 05:45:37
> > 2007
> > @@ -120,9 +120,6 @@
> >  <a href="committers.html#cla-registration">How Long Will It Take For A
> > CLA To Be Registered?</a>
> >  </li>
> >  <li>
> > -<a href="committers.html#cla-submission">Why does Apache insist that
> > CLA's be submitted either by Post or FAX?</a>
> > -</li>
> > -<li>
> >  <a href="committers.html#new-project">How do I start a new project in the
> > ASF?</a>
> >  </li>
> >  <li>
> > @@ -479,6 +476,21 @@
> >  </ul>
> >  </li>
> >  <li>
> > +<a href="list-setup.html">Procedures for Setting up a Mailing List</a>
> > +<ul>
> > +<li>Procedures for Setting up a Mailing List<ul>
> > +<li>Contents</li>
> > +<li>
> > +<a href="list-setup.html#creation">Creating the List</a>
> > +</li>
> > +<li>
> > +<a href="list-setup.html#browsing">Making the List Browsable</a>
> > +</li>
> > +</ul>
> > +</li>
> > +</ul>
> > +</li>
> > +<li>
> >  <a href="machines.html">Machines List</a>
> >  <ul>
> >  <li>Machines List<ul>
> > @@ -544,6 +556,17 @@
> >  </ul>
> >  </li>
> >  <li>
> > +<a href="mail-admin.html">Mailing Lists Administration (DRAFT)</a>
> > +<ul>
> > +<li>Mailing Lists Administration (DRAFT)<ul>
> > +<li>
> > +<a href="mail-admin.html#help">Help Wanted!</a>
> > +</li>
> > +</ul>
> > +</li>
> > +</ul>
> > +</li>
> > +<li>
> >  <a href="mirror-step-by-step.html">Step-By-Step Guide To Mirroring
> > Releases</a>
> >  <ul>
> >  <li>Contents</li>
> > @@ -1434,6 +1457,24 @@
> >  <li>
> >  <a href="styleguide.html#examples">Details and Examples</a>
> >  </li>
> > +</ul>
> > +</li>
> > +<li>
> > +<a href="svn-anon.html">Anonymous Subversion access</a>
> > +<ul>
> > +<li>Anonymous Subversion access</li>
> > +</ul>
> > +</li>
> > +<li>
> > +<a href="svn-committer.html">Committer Subversion access</a>
> > +<ul>
> > +<li>Committer Subversion access</li>
> > +</ul>
> > +</li>
> > +<li>
> > +<a href="svn-faq.html">FAQs about Subversion at ASF</a>
> > +<ul>
> > +<li>FAQs about Subversion at ASF</li>
> >  </ul>
> >  </li>
> >  <li>
>
>
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