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From "Sam Ruby" <ru...@intertwingly.net>
Subject Re: SUN PROPRIETARY/CONFIDENTIAL code in myfaces
Date Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:25:51 GMT
On 8/3/07, David Jencks <david_jencks@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 3, 2007, at 2:03 AM, Stefano Bagnara wrote:
> <giant snip>
> > I didn't follow the full thread, but if CDDL licensed files exists for
> > this dtd I would include them *as* *is* (cddl header): I share the
> > interpretation that a dtd file that is not to be used as source to
> > generate a binary can be considered a binary wrt the CDDL and ALv2
> > licenses.
> I see this "it's a binary" point of view being expressed fairly
> often.  IMO this is a questionable point of view.
> There are at least 2 commonly used technologies that appear to treat
> schemas as source files and compile them into binaries (with the help
> of the java compiler);
> xmlbeans (asl licensed)
> jaxb (some kind of sun license, I think CDDL)

First a note: the license of the compiler itself may not matter much.
I routinely use gcc.

> These both compile schemas into java classes and provide mapping code
> of some sort.  It's really silly to try to build a javaee product
> without using one of these (or a similar product).  In particular
> geronimo uses xmlbeans and openejb uses jaxb for this purpose.
> Furthermore any javaee product is going to need some kind of java
> object representation of the information in the deployment
> descriptors corresponding to the schemas under discussion, and some
> code to transfer the information from these dds to the java objects.
> What's the difference between automatically generated/compiled code
> and hand written code (using say DOM or SAX or STAX?) that transfer
> information from a document complying with one of these schemas to a
> java object designed to contain the same information?

It may very well turn out that the policy is usage dependent.
Referencing a DTD in a <!DOCTYPE> declaration is quite a different
proposition than providing an XSD as input to JAXB.  This may lead to
surprising conclusions, for example it may end up being the case that
ASF Policy would be OK with MyFaces shipping a given file but not OK
with Geronimo shipping that exact same file based on the intended

Let me emphasize that this is a policy issue, not a legal issue.
Legally we can't ship source to things that are marked SUN
PROPRIETARY/CONFIDENTIAL, but not only can we ship code that is
licensed under CDDL, we are free to relicense entire codebases under
that license.

Of the three things mentioned in the first paragraph, we need to stop
doing the first, we won't ever do the third, and we need to
collectively decide when we will allow the second.

- Sam Ruby

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