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From Craig L Russell <Craig.Russ...@Sun.COM>
Subject Re: SUN PROPRIETARY/CONFIDENTIAL code in myfaces
Date Wed, 01 Aug 2007 01:59:38 GMT

On Jul 31, 2007, at 10:34 AM, Remy Maucherat wrote:

> Roy T. Fielding wrote:
>> On Jul 31, 2007, at 8:56 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
>>> On 5/21/07, Kevan Miller <kevan.miller@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I raised a similar issue on the Tomcat dev list some months back.
>>>> Tomcat contains Sun xsd's and dtd's (e.g. http://svn.apache.org/ 
>>>> repos/
>>>> asf/tomcat/trunk/java/javax/servlet/resources/j2ee_1_4.xsd)  
>>>> which are
>>>> Sun copyright and contain the following restrictions of use:
>>>>
>>>>       This document and the technology which it describes are
>>>>        distributed under licenses restricting their use, copying,
>>>>        distribution, and decompilation. No part of this document
>>>>        may be reproduced in any form by any means without prior
>>>>        written authorization of Sun and its licensors, if any.
>>>>
>>>> I was told that there might be documents in the Foundation svn
>>>> repository that grant Apache the right to redistribute these files.
>>>> I've never seen these documents, despite requesting the information
>>>> from Tomcat. Nor do I know how any rights granted by Sun to Apache
>>>> might transfer to a third party...
>>>
>>> Anyone have more info on this one?
>>>
>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/tomcat/servletapi/servlet2.4- 
>>> jsp2.0-tc5.x/jsr154/src/share/dtd/web-app_2_4.xsd
>>>
>>> is an example of a file with both Apache permissive licensing, and a
>>> Sun extremely unpermissive header. It's come up in Freemarker as an
>>> issue:
>>>
>>> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php? 
>>> func=detail&aid=1754236&group_id=794&atid=100794
>>>
>>> Hen
>> Well, it would help if people did the homework instead of asking
>> the legal folks to do it for them.  The above file was added by Remy
>> as part of
>> r266968 | remm | 2002-08-13 09:20:53 -0700 (Tue, 13 Aug 2002) | 2  
>> lines
>> Remy, were you still an employee of Sun at that time?  Was the file
>> contributed with the permission of Sun?
>
> I was still at Sun at this time, although I left soon after that. I  
> was doing setup of the Tomcat 5.0.x repository on their behalf at  
> the time, and would be fully supported by the other Sun employees  
> working on Tomcat at the time.
>
> AFAIK, a version of these files without the problematic headers  
> exists in the various specification documents.

This unfortunately doesn't help. The license for the specifications  
is not an Apache-compatible license.

Craig
>
>> If yes, then the restrictive header can be removed because it was
>> licensed to the ASF under a CLA.  If no, then the file must be  
>> deleted
>> until it can be properly licensed.
>
> Rémy
>
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Craig Russell
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