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Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 13:35:34 +0100
From: "Paul Fremantle" <pzfreo@gmail.com>
To: general@incubator.apache.org, legal-discuss@apache.org
Subject: Re: NMS
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NMS is something that the Apache ActiveMQ team have done.
http://activemq.apache.org/nms/

Whether we are in violation of the Sun licenses is a fine question.

Paul

On 6/6/07, robert burrell donkin <robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com> wrote:
> which standards body created NMS?
>
> - robert
>
> On 6/1/07, Carl Trieloff <cctrieloff@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > Coping incubator general and apache legal lists on this thread for
> > additional comments on this topic.
> > Carl.
> >
> > John O'Hara wrote:
> > > Yes, IBM are I fully paid up licensee of Java technology - and can do
> > > whatever they like with it.
> > >
> > > I asked permission of IBM if we could implement the XMS API some time
> > > back,
> > > and they said they did not have the right to grant that approval....
> > >
> > > Unless Apache has a license to do this that I am not aware of, we are
> > > not on
> > > safe ground since NMS is clearly a derived work of JMS.
> > >
> > > Wait for the lawyers....
> > > John
> > > On 01/06/07, Colin Crist <colincrist@hermesjms.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> In case you've not seen this, IBM have long since rendered the JMS API
> > >> into
> > >> C++, C and C#
> > >>
> > >> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/websphere/library/techarticles/0509_philli
> > >>
> > >> ps/0509_phillips.html
> > >>
> > >> Colin.
> > >>
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: Arnaud Simon [mailto:asimon@redhat.com]
> > >> > Sent: 01 June 2007 15:34
> > >> > To: legal-discuss@apache.org; general@incubator.apache.org
> > >> > Cc: users@activemq.apache.org; qpid-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > >> > Subject: NMS
> > >> >
> > >> > Hello,
> > >> >
> > >> > We have been thinking about implementing the NMS API as part
> > >> > of the QPID .Net client. However we are concerned about
> > >> > potential legal issues.
> > >> > It seems to me that the NMS API is very similar to the JMS
> > >> > one but the JMS specification specifically licenses the
> > >> > technology "only for Java".
> > >> >
> > >> > This is the relevant license, copied directly from the JMS Spec
> > >> > document:
> > >> >
> > >> > "Subject to the terms and conditions of this license, Sun
> > >> > hereby grants you a fully-paid, non-exclusive,
> > >> > non-transferable, worldwide, limited license (without the
> > >> > right to sublicense) under Sun's intellectual property rights
> > >> > to review the Specification internally solely for the purpose
> > >> > of designing and developing your Java applets and
> > >> > applications intended to run on the Java platform. Other than
> > >> > this limited license, you acquire no right, title or interest
> > >> > in or to the Specification or any other Sun intellectual
> > >> > property. The Specification contains the proprietary
> > >> > information of Sun and may only be used in accordance with
> > >> > the license terms set forth herein. This license will
> > >> > terminate immediately without notice from Sun if you fail to
> > >> > comply with any provision of this license. Upon termination
> > >> > or expiration of this license, you must cease use of or
> > >> > destroy the Specification."
> > >> >
> > >> > Does anybody know if this concern has already been raised?
> > >> >
> > >> > Regards
> > >> >
> > >> > Arnaud
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
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Paul Fremantle
Co-Founder and VP of Technical Sales, WSO2
OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair

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