Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 97474 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2007 14:57:48 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 30 Mar 2007 14:57:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 14949 invoked by uid 500); 30 Mar 2007 14:57:53 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 14755 invoked by uid 500); 30 Mar 2007 14:57:52 -0000 Mailing-List: contact legal-discuss-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list legal-discuss@apache.org Received: (qmail 14739 invoked by uid 99); 30 Mar 2007 14:57:52 -0000 Received: from herse.apache.org (HELO herse.apache.org) (140.211.11.133) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 07:57:52 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (herse.apache.org: domain of jthom@us.ibm.com designates 32.97.182.141 as permitted sender) Received: from [32.97.182.141] (HELO e1.ny.us.ibm.com) (32.97.182.141) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 07:57:44 -0700 Received: from d01relay04.pok.ibm.com (d01relay04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.236]) by e1.ny.us.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l2UEvMi5007052; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:57:22 -0400 Received: from d01av03.pok.ibm.com (d01av03.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.217]) by d01relay04.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v8.3) with ESMTP id l2UEvMUF209490; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:57:22 -0400 Received: from d01av03.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av03.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l2UEvM80012766; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:57:22 -0400 Received: from D27ML602.RCHLAND.IBM.COM (d27ml602.rchland.ibm.com [9.10.229.17]) by d01av03.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l2UEvLgc012749; Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:57:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: <460D1885.1090401@rowe-clan.net> To: "William A. Rowe, Jr." Cc: legal-discuss@apache.org, Ross Gardler Subject: Re: Apache license 2.1 and 2.2? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 7.0.1P March 16, 2007 From: Jeffrey Thompson X-MIMETrack: S/MIME Sign by Notes Client on Jeffrey Thompson/Armonk/IBM(Release 7.0.1P|March 16, 2007) at 03/30/2007 10:57:18 AM, Serialize by Notes Client on Jeffrey Thompson/Armonk/IBM(Release 7.0.1P|March 16, 2007) at 03/30/2007 10:57:18 AM, Serialize complete at 03/30/2007 10:57:18 AM, Itemize by Notes Client on Jeffrey Thompson/Armonk/IBM(Release 7.0.1P|March 16, 2007) at 03/30/2007 10:57:19 AM, S/MIME Sign complete at 03/30/2007 10:57:19 AM, S/MIME Sign by Notes Client on Jeffrey Thompson/Armonk/IBM(Release 7.0.1P|March 16, 2007) at 03/30/2007 10:57:21 AM, S/MIME Sign complete at 03/30/2007 10:57:21 AM, Serialize by Router on d27ml602/27/M/IBM(Release 7.0.2FP1|January 10, 2007) at 03/30/2007 09:57:20 AM, Serialize complete at 03/30/2007 09:57:20 AM Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:57:19 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary=-------z23963_boundary_sign X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org ---------z23963_boundary_sign Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" "William A. Rowe, Jr." wrote on 03/30/2007 10:02:45 AM: > Ross Gardler wrote: > > > > Now I really am talking about stuff I don't understand, so I'm going to > > wait for Cliff to tell me just how close/far off the mark I am with the > > above comments (remember Cliff heard these concerns first hand). > > Ditto :) I'll also be interested particularly in Jeffery's feedback if > he has a few minutes to drop in on this thread (as an example of the > thoughts for a company with a -very- broad patent portfolio in the > corporate sector.) > I would provide a more meaningful response, but I do not fully understand their position. The Apache License 2.0 only requires that Contributors license patents that they have the ability to license. If their position is that through joint development agreements or other exclusive licensing arrangements they do not have the right to license certain patents, I'll take their word for it, but I don't see the conflict. I expect that I'm missing something. 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