Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 20253 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2007 14:29:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 2 Mar 2007 14:29:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 68351 invoked by uid 500); 2 Mar 2007 14:29:53 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 68150 invoked by uid 500); 2 Mar 2007 14:29:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact legal-discuss-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list legal-discuss@apache.org Received: (qmail 68130 invoked by uid 99); 2 Mar 2007 14:29:53 -0000 Received: from herse.apache.org (HELO herse.apache.org) (140.211.11.133) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 06:29:53 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (herse.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [209.133.199.10] (HELO jimsys.jagunet.com) (209.133.199.10) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 06:29:41 -0800 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jimsys.jagunet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0066754252B; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 09:29:20 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <09C53157-8E3B-477F-A3FF-90EC854B6E2D@gbiv.com> References: <778FA820-7AB4-465D-9E78-C3A06190C744@apache.org> <09C53157-8E3B-477F-A3FF-90EC854B6E2D@gbiv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: Legal Discuss , David Nuescheler Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jim Jagielski Subject: Re: Addendum to CCLA of Day Management Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 09:29:19 -0500 To: Roy T.Fielding X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Mar 2, 2007, at 8:11 AM, Roy T. Fielding wrote: >> On 2/27/07, Jim Jagielski wrote: >>> David, no problem. We just need You to fill out another CCLA >>> and note changes and mark the CCLA as an addendum to the one >>> currently on file. You can FAX it to us (410-803-2258) or >>> Email a scanned copy of the signed-and-filled-out CCLA >>> to secretary@apache.org *and* legal-archive@apache.org. > > That doesn't make any sense. The CCLA is designed to be updated by > the point of contact (David) -- all he has to do is send the ASF > an email message to do so. The legality and signatures to that effect > have already been established by the original CCLA. > > Creating a new CCLA each time the contact wants to add an addendum > is a very bad idea -- it means we have to have the entire text > approved by Day legal, again, and have two officers of the company > sign it. I am sure that other companies have similar restrictions > on IP licensing. That is why the CCLA was designed for addendums > to simply be communicated (in any written fashion) to the ASF. > Certainly we need to ensure that the entity/person making the changes is legally entitled to do so. With Email so easy to spoof, assuming it's not GPG signed, we have no guarantee that David is David. I do not interpret such updates as "submissions" as defined in 1. Definitions. So since this is a change to a legal document between 2 parties, it's not unreasonable, imo, to ensure that there is clear tracking of those changes. --------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER: Discussions on this list are informational and educational only. Statements made on this list are not privileged, do not constitute legal advice, and do not necessarily reflect the opinions and policies of the ASF. See for official ASF policies and documents. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: legal-discuss-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: legal-discuss-help@apache.org