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From Craig L Russell <Craig.Russ...@Sun.COM>
Subject Re: Derby and the JCP
Date Sat, 05 Aug 2006 22:31:36 GMT
Hi Geir,

I'm participating in this discussion as an Apache committer who is
interested in getting through the legal thicket so we can ship Derby.
I can say I've talked to people at Sun whose opinion I'm reflecting.
You can take this as input to the process.

Craig


On Aug 5, 2006, at 3:22 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:

>
>
> Craig L Russell wrote:
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2006, at 5:12 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Craig L Russell wrote:
>>>> IANAL, but I don't think there is a problem. Derby is not an
>>>> application.
>>>>
>>>> The only way you can run Derby that exposes JDBC4 functionality  
>>>> is by
>>>> running a User Application with Java SE 6. If a User Application  
>>>> runs in
>>>> this environment, is is subject to the testing and evaluation  
>>>> terms of
>>>> the license.
>>>>
>>>> So there is no need to encumber Derby NOTICEs with this disclaimer.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Rick quoted the wrong part of the spec license. The relevant part is
>>> this notice :
>>>
>>> "This is an implementation of an early-draft
>>> specification developed under the Java Community
>>> Process (JCP) and is made available for testing and
>>> evaluation purposes only. The code is not compatible
>>> with any specification of the JCP."
>>>
>>> Derby cannot be encumbered with this disclaimer, as it would make  
>>> the
>>> combination of terms presented to the user inconsistent with Open  
>>> Source
>>> - namely restrictions on field of use.
>>
>> As we already discussed, Derby is not an implementation of the
>> specification. I don't see the need to encumber Derby with any  
>> disclaimer.
>
> Are you speaking officially as a Sun employee?  If so, I'd be  
> overjoyed
> to resolve it this way.
>
> If not, I think you'll need to point me to such discussion, because  
> if I
> recall correctly both Mark Reinhold (Mustang lead) as well as Lance
> Andersen (JDBC4 lead) have asserted that anything implementing a JDBC4
> driver is an implementation of the spec.
>
>>
>> So it seems that there are two kinds of programs that run into the
>> license issue: implementations (such as JRocket VM) and applications
>> (e.g. third party software that runs only on Mustang). Derby is  
>> neither
>> of these.
>
> It has an implementation of the JDBC4 driver, right?  According to  
> Mark
> and Lance, that's enough.
>
> geir
>>
>> Craig
>>>
>>> geir
>>>
>>
>> Craig Russell
>> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/ 
>> jdo
>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>

Craig Russell
Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!


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