Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 95028 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2005 05:37:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 22 Dec 2005 05:37:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 92043 invoked by uid 500); 22 Dec 2005 05:37:18 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 91867 invoked by uid 500); 22 Dec 2005 05:37:17 -0000 Mailing-List: contact legal-discuss-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list legal-discuss@apache.org Received: (qmail 91854 invoked by uid 99); 22 Dec 2005 05:37:17 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:37:17 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (asf.osuosl.org: domain of chamikaramj@gmail.com designates 66.249.82.199 as permitted sender) Received: from [66.249.82.199] (HELO xproxy.gmail.com) (66.249.82.199) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:37:16 -0800 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i28so209802wxd for ; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:36:54 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Ai+6QVblcgcsyCmck6kxQIvKzbbW4NtJBfhoMwzu+zdaswOU7L5K27UElOyZeGV1bLb5DLUb6m2zmoYsS4uf4S2SQq0mBMd8o29hMnoor41qaqmQaSkoYV6ZdZZHWAtaqW404Q3QavYZIQSXG8bpI9w+G5Seta1pDP2hg/Ld09o= Received: by 10.70.26.8 with SMTP id 8mr1572491wxz; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:36:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.18.15 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:36:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9d4ec10b0512212136s2975dd77o50350d01cf01fca2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:36:54 +0600 From: Chamikara Jayalath To: cliffschmidt@gmail.com, legal-discuss@apache.org Subject: Re: Using Hibernate in an Apache Project Cc: sandesha-dev@ws.apache.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1222_30953117.1135229814587" References: <008b01c5db30$36a14920$6e01a8c0@ads.iu.edu> <9d4ec10b0512212110x397123fbob04fc072976cf538@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N ------=_Part_1222_30953117.1135229814587 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi Cliff, Actually what we want to commit is some code written by us which will go under Apache License (Not LGPL). Only thing is this code will refer to some Hibernate classes. It is great if we can give the hibernate jar with our distribution, but even if not we can still ask the users to download it seperately. So what we actually have are following two problems. 1. Can we commit source code that goes under Apache licence but will refer to some classes of the Hibernate framework (which goes under LGPL). 2. Can we include Hibernate jar in the Apache Sandesa2 distributions. Thank you, Chamikara On 12/22/05, Cliff Schmidt wrote: > > I'm just about to propose a licensing policy, based on the input I've > gotten from various mailing lists, the PMCs, and lots of folks at > ApacheCon. I can't tell you how the proposal will be received, but I > can tell you that it would not allow the distribution of LGPL code > within an Apache product. > > Stay tuned on this list for details within the next few days. > > Cliff > > On 12/21/05, Chamikara Jayalath wrote: > > Hi, > > > > We have some uncommitted code related to Apache Sandesha project that > uses > > Hibernate. We can commit them to the the Sandesha2 SVN if this has been > > solved. > > > > Has the license issue been resolved now ? > > > > Thank you, > > Chamikara > > > > > > > > On 10/28/05, Cliff Schmidt wrote: > > > At this point, the answer is "no". There has been discussion of > > > having a policy to allow using and/or distributing LGPL, but that > > > discussion has not been resolved yet. I will do everything I can to > > > have the issue resolved by ApacheCon (Dec 10-14); but I can't tell yo= u > > > how it will be resolved just yet. > > > > > > Cliff > > > > > > On 10/27/05, Jaliya Ekanayake wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > We are implementing Apache Sandesha2 these days and wanted to know > the > > > > possibility of using Hibernate in this project. > > > > Hibernate comes with LGPL and think that it is restrictive than our > > license. > > > > > > > > Please advice. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Jaliya Ekanayake > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Davanum Srinivas" > > > > To: "Jaliya Ekanayake" < jaliya@opensource.lk> > > > > Cc: "Sanka Samaranayake" ; > > ; > > > > "Sanjiva Weerawarana" > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:50 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Sandehsa2] Implementing a persistence layer of storag= e > > beans > > > > > > > > > > > > Please ask on legal-discuss@apache.org mailing list. > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > dims > > > > > > > > On 10/27/05, Jaliya Ekanayake < jaliya@opensource.lk> wrote: > > > > > Hi Sanka, > > > > > > > > > > The idea is good but the problem is Hibernate has LGPL whcih is = a > > > > > restrictive licence than ASF Licence. > > > > > Need some expert advice on this. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Jaliya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Sanka Samaranayake" < ssanka@gmail.com> > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 10:42 PM > > > > > Subject: [Sandehsa2] Implementing a persistence layer of storage > beans > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > Since Sandesha architecture is based upon storage beans, its > clear > > that > > > > > > we > > > > > > need to have a persistence layer that maps these beans to the > > database. > > > > > > We thought of developing our own layer (and partly did it :) ). > But > > when > > > > > > it came to think transactions and stale object management we > thought > > it > > > > > > is > > > > > > great if we use a proven framework like Hibernate instead of > > developing > > > > > > our own persistence layer. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can we use Hibernate for Sandesha (with derby as the database) > and > > is > > > > > > there any *license issues*? > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > --Sanka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sandesha-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sandesha-dev-help@ws.apache.or= g > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > sandesha-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sandesha-dev-help@ws.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > DISCLAIMER: Discussions on this list are informational and > educational > > > > only, are not privileged and do not constitute legal advice. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > legal-discuss-unsubscribe@apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: legal-discuss-help@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------=_Part_1222_30953117.1135229814587 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi Cliff,

Actually what we want to commit is some code written by us which will go under Apache License (Not LGPL). Only thing is this code will refer to some Hibernate classes. It is great if we can give the hibernate jar with our distribution, but even if not we can still ask the users to download it seperately.

So what we actually have are following two problems.

1. Can we commit source code that goes under Apache licence but will refer to some classes of the Hibernate framework (which goes under LGPL).

2. Can we include Hibernate jar in the Apache Sandesa2 distributions.

Thank you,
Chamikara




On 12/22/05, Cliff Schmidt <cl= iffschmidt@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm just about to propose a licensing policy, based on the input I've
go= tten from various mailing lists, the PMCs, and lots of folks at
ApacheCo= n.  I can't tell you how the proposal will be received, but I
= can tell you that it would not allow the distribution of LGPL code
within an Apache product.

Stay tuned on this list for details wi= thin the next few days.

Cliff

On 12/21/05, Chamikara Jayalath= <chamikaramj@gmail.com>= wrote:
> Hi,
>
>  We have some uncommitted code relat= ed to Apache Sandesha project that uses
> Hibernate. We can commit th= em to the the Sandesha2 SVN if this has been
> solved.
>
>= ;  Has the license issue been resolved now ?
>
>  Thank you,
>  Chamikara
>=
>
>
> On 10/28/05, Cliff Schmidt <cliffschmidt@gmail.com> wrote:
> > A= t this point, the answer is "no".  There has been discu= ssion of
> > having a policy to allow using and/or distributing LGPL, but = that
> > discussion has not been resolved yet.  I will d= o everything I can to
> > have the issue resolved by ApacheCon (De= c 10-14); but I can't tell you
> > how it will be resolved just yet.
> >
> > C= liff
> >
> > On 10/27/05, Jaliya Ekanayake <jaliya@opensource.lk> wrote:
> &= gt; > Hi,
> > >
> > > We are implementing Apache Sandesha2 t= hese days and wanted to know the
> > > possibility of using Hib= ernate in this project.
> > > Hibernate comes with LGPL and thi= nk that it is restrictive than our
> license.
> > >
> > > Please advice.
>= ; > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > J= aliya Ekanayake
> > >
> > >
> > > -----= Original Message -----
> > > From: "Davanum Srinivas" <davanum@gmail.com>
> > > To: "J= aliya Ekanayake" < jaliya@o= pensource.lk >
> > > Cc: "Sanka Samaranayake" <ssanka@gmail.com>;
> <sandesha-dev@ws.apache.org>;<= br> > > > "Sanjiva Weerawarana" <sanjiva@opensource.lk>
> > > Sent: Thur= sday, October 27, 2005 1:50 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Sandehsa2] I= mplementing a persistence layer of storage
> beans
> > >
> > >
> > > Please= ask on legal-discuss@apache.or= g mailing list.
> > >
> > > thanks,
> >= ; > dims
> > >
> > > On 10/27/05, Jaliya Ekanayake < jaliya@opensource.lk> wrote:> > > > Hi Sanka,
> > > >
> > > >= ; The idea is good but the problem is Hibernate has  LGPL whcih i= s a
> > > > restrictive licence than ASF Licence.
> > = > > Need some expert advice on this.
> > > >
> &= gt; > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Jaliya
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----= Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Sanka Samaranaya= ke" < ssanka@gmail.com>
> > > > To: <sandesha-dev@ws.apache.org>
> > > > Sent: Wednesda= y, October 26, 2005 10:42 PM
> > > > Subject: [Sandehsa2] Im= plementing a persistence layer of storage beans
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > = Hi Guys,
> > > > >
> > > > > Since Sand= esha architecture is based upon storage beans, its clear
> that
> > > > > we
> > > > > need to have a pers= istence layer that maps these beans to the
> database.
> > &= gt; > > We thought of developing our own layer (and partly did it :) = ). But
> when
> > > > > it came to think transactions and= stale object management we thought
> it
> > > > > = is
> > > > > great if we use a proven framework like Hibe= rnate instead of
> developing
> > > > > our own persistence layer.<= br>> > > > >
> > > > > Can we use Hibernat= e for Sandesha (with derby as the database) and
> is
> > >= ; > > there any *license issues*?
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> >= > > > --Sanka
> > > > >
> > > > = >
> > > > >
> ----------------------------------= -----------------------------------
> > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> sandesha-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apa= che.org
> > > > > For additional commands, e-mail:=20 sandesha-dev-help@ws.apa= che.org
> > > > >
> > > > >
>= > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > = > >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------= ---
> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> sandesha-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apach= e.org
> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: sandesha-dev-help@ws.apache.org> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > = >
> > > --
> > > Davanum Srinivas : http://wso2.com/blogs/
> > >
> >= ; >
> > >
> > >
> ------------------------= ---------------------------------------------
> > > DISCLAIMER: Discussions on this list are informational a= nd educational
> > > only, are not privileged and do not consti= tute legal advice.
> > >
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> > >
> > >
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