Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 19511 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2005 15:08:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 28 Jun 2005 15:08:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 50578 invoked by uid 500); 28 Jun 2005 15:08:07 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 50438 invoked by uid 500); 28 Jun 2005 15:08:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact legal-discuss-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list legal-discuss@apache.org Received: (qmail 50419 invoked by uid 99); 28 Jun 2005 15:08:05 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 08:08:05 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=10.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (asf.osuosl.org: domain of jthom@us.ibm.com designates 32.97.182.141 as permitted sender) Received: from [32.97.182.141] (HELO e1.ny.us.ibm.com) (32.97.182.141) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 08:08:04 -0700 Received: from d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (d01relay02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.234]) by e1.ny.us.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j5SF7x0B021995; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:07:59 -0400 Received: from d01av02.pok.ibm.com (d01av02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.216]) by d01relay02.pok.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VERS6.7) with ESMTP id j5SF7xHH205760; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:07:59 -0400 Received: from d01av02.pok.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d01av02.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j5SF7xSb018572; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:07:59 -0400 Received: from d27ml602.rchland.ibm.com (d27ml602.rchland.ibm.com [9.10.229.17]) by d01av02.pok.ibm.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j5SF7x61018555; Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:07:59 -0400 In-Reply-To: <19e0530f050627085624d84d62@mail.gmail.com> To: dims@apache.org Cc: legal-discuss@apache.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: IBM's license for WS-Security - Take #2 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.5.1IBM February 19, 2004 From: Jeffrey Thompson Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:07:56 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on d27ml602/27/M/IBM(Build V70_M4_01112005 Beta 3|January 11, 2005) at 06/28/2005 10:07:58 AM, Serialize complete at 06/28/2005 10:07:58 AM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 005320230425702E_=" X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N --=_alternative 005320230425702E_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Davanum Srinivas wrote on 06/27/2005 11:56:30 AM: > Thanks Jeff. I do understand the "there isn't much interest in > redrafting the details of a patent license that was published 3 years > ago when there would be no practical effect to making changes.". BUT > the problem is a few ASF members (including a Board member) have told > us that we can't push out a release for WSS4J (OR) get code from > Verisign for TSIK incubation if we don't get licenses from MSFT/IBM. > So i have no idea what to do....Please advise. Once I get back from vacation (7/12) I'd be happy to have a call or an irc chat with interested members if that would help. > > Let's look at it from another angle, do *you* think there are any > problems with Apache signing the IBM License for WS-Security as-is? *I* don't see any problem with Apache signing the license. It might want to wait until we identify a patent though. > > thanks, > dims > Jeff Staff Counsel, IBM Corporation (914)766-1757 (tie)8-826 (fax) -8160 (notes) jthom@ibmus (internet) jthom@us.ibm.com (home) jeff@beff.net (web) http://www.beff.net/ --=_alternative 005320230425702E_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"

Davanum Srinivas <davanum@gmail.com> wrote on 06/27/2005 11:56:30 AM:

> Thanks Jeff. I do understand the "there isn't much interest in
> redrafting the details of a patent license that was published 3 years
> ago when there would be no practical effect to making changes.". BUT
> the problem is a few ASF members (including a Board member) have told
> us that we can't push out a release for WSS4J (OR) get code from
> Verisign for TSIK incubation if we don't get licenses from MSFT/IBM.
> So i have no idea what to do....Please advise.
Once I get back from vacation (7/12) I'd be happy to have a call or an irc chat with interested members if that would help.

>
> Let's look at it from another angle, do *you* think there are any
> problems with Apache signing the IBM License for WS-Security as-is?
*I* don't see any problem with Apache signing the license.  It might want to wait until we identify a patent though.

>
> thanks,
> dims
>



Jeff

Staff Counsel, IBM Corporation  (914)766-1757  (tie)8-826  (fax) -8160
(notes) jthom@ibmus  (internet) jthom@us.ibm.com (home) jeff@beff.net
(web) http://www.beff.net/

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