Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 35992 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2005 17:48:04 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 25 Mar 2005 17:48:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 72288 invoked by uid 500); 25 Mar 2005 17:47:52 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-legal-discuss-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 72092 invoked by uid 500); 25 Mar 2005 17:47:51 -0000 Mailing-List: contact legal-discuss-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list legal-discuss@apache.org Delivered-To: moderator for legal-discuss@apache.org Received: (qmail 30795 invoked by uid 99); 25 Mar 2005 02:22:48 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=10.0 tests=FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (hermes.apache.org: local policy) Subject: RE: Corporate Contributions From: Santiago Gala To: legal-discuss@apache.org In-Reply-To: <32D5845A745BFB429CBDBADA57CD41AF0E752617@ussjex01.amer.bea.com> References: <32D5845A745BFB429CBDBADA57CD41AF0E752617@ussjex01.amer.bea.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-NTBFDQIgvg/1WxfkgJZP" Organization: High Sierra Technology, SLU Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 03:22:37 +0100 Message-Id: <1111717357.25211.49.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N --=-NTBFDQIgvg/1WxfkgJZP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable El jue, 24-03-2005 a las 16:43 -0800, Jim Barnett escribi=C3=B3: (...snip...) > It may be more likely that a UK employee will own the contributions he > or she develops due to more pro-Employee invention ownership laws, > that > increased likelihood of a "clean" contribution still does not address > the root question: How does the ASF know that an employee's > contribution is really "clean" in the absence of a CCLA from his or > her > employer? Even under UK law the question of whether the employee > worked > exclusively on his or her own time using his or her own resources > determines whether the employer or employee owns the contribution. Basically we trust the signed ICLA we receive. Without further knowledge, and having into account that Open Source work is done "in the agora", as Bill said. I think we have a pretty good case, with public archives of any and each contribution that the employer can spot and tell us there's something wrong. It the IP was truly relevant to their business line, they better have a good excuse why they were not able to do any "corporate intelligence" around core IP, specially in cases where contributions last years. The "submarine" or "unaware" cases are far more probable in code contributions, which is why we ask for a CCLA for those. Regards --=20 Santiago Gala High Sierra Technology, SLU --=-NTBFDQIgvg/1WxfkgJZP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje =?ISO-8859-1?Q?est=E1?= firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBCQ3XtMGY6e0B83Y0RApGTAKCU7A4JoutH4eVTG04l5rO2DzrE7gCeMXI2 HzBNUHMOmUo7mwneBjlZhho= =bszq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-NTBFDQIgvg/1WxfkgJZP--