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From Greg Stein <gst...@lyra.org>
Subject Re: Corporate Contributions
Date Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:45:13 GMT
Well, yeah. My point is that the *intent* is to accept contributions from
individuals. The CCLA is a mechanism to enable that, but it is not the
focus or the driver. We want to stress the individual, not the means to
that end.

Cheers,
-g

On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 01:24:21PM -0800, Lawrence Rosen wrote:
> Greg Stein wrote:
> > But legalese be damned... the philosophy and intent of the ASF is to
> > accept IP from individuals. Only.
> 
> Legalese cannot be damned so easily. The fact is that the individual's
> employer automatically owns the IP and the individual cannot legally
> contribute the software to ASF or anyone else without her employer's
> permission. Under the law in the United States, it is the employer's
> contribution to make or to refuse. (17 USC section 201(b).)
> 
> /Larry
> 
> Lawrence Rosen
> Rosenlaw & Einschlag, technology law offices (www.rosenlaw.com)
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>  
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Greg Stein [mailto:gstein@lyra.org]
> > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 10:01 PM
> > To: Phil Steitz
> > Cc: legal-discuss@apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Corporate Contributions
> > 
> > On Sat, Mar 19, 2005 at 10:42:28PM -0500, Phil Steitz wrote:
> > >...
> > > That's what I thought, and that's what the licenses web page
> > > (http://www.apache.org/licenses/#clas) says, but the text of the CCLA
> > > begins like this:
> > >
> > > Thank you for your interest in The Apache Software Foundation (the
> > > "Foundation").  In order to clarify the intellectual property license
> > > granted with contributions of software from any person or entity
> > > (the "Contributor"), the Foundation would like to have a Contributor
> > > License Agreement on file that has been signed by the Contributor,
> > > indicating agreement to the license terms below.  This license is for
> > > your protection as a Contributor of software to the Foundation and does
> > > not change your right to use your own contributions for any other
> > purpose.
> > >
> > > In this case the signatory is the corporation.  The language would seem
> > > to suggest that the corporation is in fact contributing directly.
> > 
> > The legal language would say that because the corporation is the original
> > owner of the IP. The CCLA is intended to enable the individuals to sign
> > their ICLA, which states the individual has the right to provide the IP to
> > the ASF.
> > 
> > >From a legal standpoint, the CCLA is saying the corp can contribute, but
> > we don't accept contributions from them. Instead, we accept the
> > corporations's IP from individuals (their employees). We accept that
> > contribution under the language of the ICLA.
> > 
> > But legalese be damned... the philosophy and intent of the ASF is to
> > accept IP from individuals. Only.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > -g
> > 
> > --
> > Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/
> > 
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