Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-jcp-open-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 7218 invoked from network); 17 Mar 2008 17:36:56 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 17 Mar 2008 17:36:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 30619 invoked by uid 500); 17 Mar 2008 17:36:53 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-jcp-open-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 30511 invoked by uid 500); 17 Mar 2008 17:36:53 -0000 Mailing-List: contact jcp-open-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: jcp-open@apache.org list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list jcp-open@apache.org Received: (qmail 30486 invoked by uid 99); 17 Mar 2008 17:36:53 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:36:52 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=10.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (nike.apache.org: 216.86.168.178 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of geir@pobox.com) Received: from [216.86.168.178] (HELO mxout-03.mxes.net) (216.86.168.178) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:36:04 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.126] (unknown [216.174.90.9]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1A523E3FD for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: From: "Geir Magnusson Jr." To: jcp-open@apache.org In-Reply-To: <47DE9DF6.8070601@apache.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Subject: Re: Handling Innovation and Producing an RI Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:36:11 -0400 References: <9deac9fd0802190546s6007dc50g43a48069a49e0236@mail.gmail.com> <47BAE675.2040805@Stolsvik.com> <56F0DAE6-321F-4469-9B42-7F1B0DE418FC@pobox.com> <47BB17D8.2040504@Stolsvik.com> <47BB213A.3050206@Stolsvik.com> <47DE5357.5060407@apache.org> <5BC6EF08-6D5A-43BB-803C-9DD090617ACD@pobox.com> <3d4032300803170722l5f950670kb4ad1dc7ac59c928@mail.gmail.com> <47DE9DF6.8070601@apache.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Mar 17, 2008, at 12:36 PM, Steve Loughran wrote: > Sam Ruby wrote: > >> Given how hard it was to challenge the TCK, in some cases we simply >> complied instead. > > which is, in a way, an argument against JCP standards, especially > those whose TCK is meant to be a secret I don't think I've seen a binary TCK yet. geir