Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-jcp-open-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 60937 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2007 05:31:21 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 6 Sep 2007 05:31:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 1353 invoked by uid 500); 6 Sep 2007 05:31:14 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-jcp-open-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 1254 invoked by uid 500); 6 Sep 2007 05:31:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact jcp-open-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: jcp-open@apache.org list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list jcp-open@apache.org Received: (qmail 1245 invoked by uid 99); 6 Sep 2007 05:31:14 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 05 Sep 2007 22:31:14 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=10.0 tests=SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [64.202.165.183] (HELO smtpauth03.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net) (64.202.165.183) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with SMTP; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 05:31:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 19252 invoked from network); 6 Sep 2007 05:30:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (24.15.193.17) by smtpauth03.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.183) with ESMTP; 06 Sep 2007 05:30:48 -0000 Message-ID: <46DF9087.3030800@rowe-clan.net> Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 00:30:47 -0500 From: "William A. Rowe, Jr." User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (X11/20070719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jcp-open@apache.org Subject: Re: Representation advice for JSR 314 References: <090520072028.12845.46DF115C00062A590000322D22070009530A9D9B0E03020E9009@comcast.net> <46DF24F0.2090108@rowe-clan.net> <1189046068.6324.56.camel@acoliver-laptop> <46DF6AF5.80108@rowe-clan.net> <1189050694.6324.87.camel@acoliver-laptop> In-Reply-To: <1189050694.6324.87.camel@acoliver-laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Andrew C. Olvier wrote: > > As a representative of the ASF? Let's say that half of the developers > of HTTPD decided to move the test kit (I assume you guys have tests) to > another server/organization, close source it, license it back to Apache > under terms to be negotiated later and that some of the committers would > be allowed to participate in developing the HTTPD test kit, and others > wouldn't. you'd be cool with those developers being official > representatives of Apache to the other organization right? You'd be > cool with that right? You wouldn't call that closed source development > or anti-community right? If you would then let's label these things > correctly. Long live the revolution! Down with the tyrants of opacity! Of course the httpd project does use the donations of closed technologies when some vendor wants to offer useful data of some source code scanning mechanism they created, or similar. We don't care how someone correctly identifies (and potentially patches) a bug, although nearly every such service has proven to be a 99.8% waste of time (with a few small nuggets of gold in them there turds). In your example, we'd (httpd would) simply reject the offer and keep using the open copy of the framework. Ciao, Bill