Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-jcp-open-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 96076 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2007 15:26:59 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 12 Aug 2007 15:26:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 2440 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2007 15:26:56 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-jcp-open-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 2319 invoked by uid 500); 12 Aug 2007 15:26:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact jcp-open-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: jcp-open@apache.org list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list jcp-open@apache.org Received: (qmail 2310 invoked by uid 99); 12 Aug 2007 15:26:56 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 08:26:56 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [209.133.199.10] (HELO jimsys.jagunet.com) (209.133.199.10) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:26:54 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jimsys.jagunet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B08B9BB7CD for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <9F1A535E-8255-4796-8E97-C7FB28CCB9FD@pobox.com> References: <46BAFAD1.2050404@apache.org> <3d4032300708091955i4604c1abv5285a88f969f52dc@mail.gmail.com> <46BC8505.7050309@buni.org> <46BD0B85.2070301@rowe-clan.net> <46BD0D1C.1090505@buni.org> <9F1A535E-8255-4796-8E97-C7FB28CCB9FD@pobox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <77641DAB-9125-4DB6-8C89-46C85CD8E1C3@jaguNET.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jim Jagielski Subject: Re: Looks like Sun responded to the Open Letter Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:26:32 -0400 To: jcp-open@apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Aug 11, 2007, at 2:22 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > > No - the way Sun is playing this, we all lose. We ned to fix > this. Java is too important. > I hear this a lot, and although I agree that Java is important, I don't think that it's "so" important that significant time and energy be spent on fixing something and maintaining something that a large and controlling entity feels the need to do everything it can to bury it... In other words, if Sun continues down this path, which will invariably lead to Java becoming less and less significant due to the community finally having reached their fill of all this funny business, another language and "technology" will for sure take its place. It would be like saying, tens of millions of years ago, we need to stop the impending comet; dinosaurs are too important. In both cases, it's a specific heavenly body creating the disaster. Note this has nothing to do with the EC or JCP or JSPA, but simple survival of the fittest. Are we there yet... no, not at all. But we're certainly headed in that direction and gaining momentum.