Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-jcp-open-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 17645 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2007 07:42:18 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 13 Aug 2007 07:42:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 87536 invoked by uid 500); 13 Aug 2007 07:41:38 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-jcp-open-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 87436 invoked by uid 500); 13 Aug 2007 07:41:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact jcp-open-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: jcp-open@apache.org list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list jcp-open@apache.org Received: (qmail 87416 invoked by uid 99); 13 Aug 2007 07:41:37 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 00:41:37 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=10.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [194.77.152.163] (HELO mail.intermeta.de) (194.77.152.163) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 07:41:43 +0000 Received: from forge.intermeta.de (forge.intermeta.de [192.168.2.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.intermeta.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l7D7f7h6032058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:41:07 +0200 Subject: Re: Looks like Sun responded to the Open Letter From: Henning Schmiedehausen Reply-To: henning@apache.org To: jcp-open@apache.org In-Reply-To: <46C006AF.5070804@rowe-clan.net> References: <46BAFAD1.2050404@apache.org> <3d4032300708091955i4604c1abv5285a88f969f52dc@mail.gmail.com> <46BC8505.7050309@buni.org> <46BD0B85.2070301@rowe-clan.net> <46BD0D1C.1090505@buni.org> <9F1A535E-8255-4796-8E97-C7FB28CCB9FD@pobox.com> <46BD6102.7080402@buni.org> <46BF76C7.9040704@buni.org> <194A1039-AAF6-4B01-9AEF-6C0DFD4F2F1A@pobox.com> <46BFA3A0.3010300@buni.org> <1186987571.3695.285.camel@forge.intermeta.de> <46C006AF.5070804@rowe-clan.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Apache Software Foundation Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:41:07 +0200 Message-Id: <1186990867.22680.21.camel@forge.intermeta.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.3 (2.6.3-2.fc5) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mail.intermeta.de [192.168.2.3]); Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:41:07 +0200 (CEST) X-INTERMETA-Spam-Score: (babsi.intermeta.de) -101.44 () ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,USER_IN_WHITELIST X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.62 on 192.168.2.3 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Mon, 2007-08-13 at 03:22 -0400, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: > > On Sun, 2007-08-12 at 20:19 -0400, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > > >>> And please don't be a quisling and traffic the "these are Geir's > >>> decisions" meme. That's already been tried. > >>> > >> But they are Geir. Because most of board have been coming up in > >> disagreement at least publicly with most of your "cave in and take it > >> for several more years" strategy and yet at the same time...the actions > > > > Your assumption is wrong. The board stands unanimously behind Geir. > > That isn't even completely fair. Geir stands affirmatively behind the "Geir represents the position of the board. It is not true that "most of the board is in disagreement of the strategy", because it is the strategy decided by the board". It should be obvious that he is not running rogue here and the board disagrees; something that Andrew tried to imply IMHO. [...] > proceed with Z", I absolutely trust Geir would convey that direction, > and to a casual observer, you wouldn't notice a distinction between > boards'/Geir's statements. Although we individually have voices and > a dialog, Geir is speaking 'as the ASF'. That's required of anyone > who serves as a representative to outside organizations. Semantics. I jwant to make sure that Andrew's accusations that Geir "is in disagreement with most of the board" do not stick in anyone's mind. Best regards Henning