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From "Geir Magnusson Jr." <g...@pobox.com>
Subject Re: JSR-317 and JSR-318 Vote Today
Date Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:07:25 GMT

On Aug 1, 2007, at 10:59 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:

>
> On Aug 1, 2007, at 5:17 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>
>> Paraphrased, the ASF position is that we have no problem with
>> communities forming around commercial implementations, or around
>> non-open source licenses, or around open or free licenses other than
>> our own, or around the Apache License, Version 2.0 at places other
>> than the ASF.
>
> This is not as much a position, but rather common sense. Why would  
> we have a problem with whatever other people are doing? The  
> question here is whether it is beneficial for the Foundation to  
> participate in a given community (JCP in this case).

I think that our participation in the JCP is beneficial, assuming we  
get this problem w/ Sun squared away.  Our years of engagement have  
shown that, IMO.

Our FOU problem is a big test for the JCP - will it be able to govern  
itself to the degree that it can?

>
>> But, and this is a key but, at the ASF we only nurture communities
>> that release software under the Apache License.  From time to time,
>> I've seen that position labeled as 'ideological', coupled with calls
>> for us to 'be pragmatic'.
>
> I thought of Andrew's "subfree" email as a provocation (maybe with  
> the goal to point to the futility of the current JCP fight, and  
> turn it towards JCP withdrawal route? I don't know). I am really  
> hoping that "subfree" is not up for serious discussion, otherwise  
> it will be a very sad turn of events at the Foundation.

I didn't take it seriously.

geir


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