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From "Geir Magnusson Jr." <g...@pobox.com>
Subject Re: Looks like Sun responded to the Open Letter
Date Sat, 11 Aug 2007 06:22:25 GMT

On Aug 10, 2007, at 7:13 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:

> Okay...so when do we surrender?

Why would we surrender?

> Geir?  How do we surrender?

We don't surrender.  There's no reason to surrender.  We're doing  
just fine.  I think this is a big mistake on Sun's part.  It's a  
discriminatory license (also forbidden by the JSPA) and takes away  
Sun's ability to claim that we're offered the same terms as any other  

It also is a pretty shameless attempt to try to exploit/create a rift  
between "free software" and "open source".

> Or wait...we can just indefinitely vote against sun specs and do  
> nothing more as a means of surrendering.  cool.  Sun wins, apache  
> looses.

No - the way Sun is playing this, we all lose.  We ned to fix this.   
Java is too important.

Essentially, I think sun is simply trying to change the subject.   
Their violation of the JSPA doesn't go away - and we're not going away.


> William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
>> Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
>>> I'm not clear on this...are the TCKs themselves being made available
>>> under GPL or just being made "available" to those who use GPL?
>> To those who's implementation is derived from Sun's implementation  
>> and,
>> apparently, "copy-back" as opposed to "copy-left".
>> Any other implementation, GPL, AL or otherwise, is not granted  
>> this TCK
>> license.
>> E.g. the "non-discriminatory terms" requirement are apparently an  
>> inconvenient
>> clause of the JSPA, to Sun's J2SE crew.
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