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From "Andrew C. Oliver" <acoli...@buni.org>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Suspend ASF Java development for one week
Date Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:16:35 GMT
WHY NOT SUSPEND PARTICIPATION IN THE JCP -- THE ROOT OF THE ACTUAL 
PROBLEM!!!

Danese Cooper wrote:
> Not that anybody asked me, but I think they WANT us to stop ASF Java 
> development, no?  A publicized cease code would seem to send the 
> message that they've won.
>
> Danese
>
> On Aug 12, 2007, at 7:03 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>
>>
>> On Aug 12, 2007, at 6:01 AM, Stephen Colebourne wrote:
>>
>>> Steve Loughran wrote:
>>>> But, Actions do speak louder than words sometimes [snip]
>>> > There's not much we can do in response, other than cut
>>>> back on java coding. Accordingly, after I make the next product 
>>>> release tomorrow, I will stop writing a single line of Java code 
>>>> for the rest of august. Because there are other things out there, 
>>>> and the one that interests me has the name Erlang. Time to start 
>>>> the first erlang-related work at apache, I think
>>>
>>> This comment, got me thinking... what if the ASF suspended Java 
>>> development for one week (or even a month). It could be either a 
>>> voluntary personal decision by each committer, or more strongly 
>>> enforced.
>>>
>>> It would definitely get press attention, and would be a valid next 
>>> step response from our side. It might also make Sun begin to realise 
>>> that they lose if the ASF walks away from the JCP and Java.
>>>
>>> Perhaps the time could be used for the developers not working on 
>>> Java to have a mini-hackathon in Scala or Erlang or Ruby...
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> I dunno.  This seems like cutting of our nose...   Java is "ours" as 
>> much as it is "theirs".  IMO, Sun is trying to re-position Java as 
>> theirs, something they are allowing us to help them with, rather than 
>> something that we've all come to collectively own over the last 7 
>> years or so through our contributions.  So I don't want to do 
>> anything that adds any support to that idea....
>>
>> geir
>>
>>


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