Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-jcp-open-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 74324 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2007 18:37:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 31 Jul 2007 18:37:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 96382 invoked by uid 500); 31 Jul 2007 18:37:40 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-jcp-open-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 96302 invoked by uid 500); 31 Jul 2007 18:37:40 -0000 Mailing-List: contact jcp-open-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: jcp-open@apache.org list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list jcp-open@apache.org Delivered-To: moderator for jcp-open@apache.org Received: (qmail 93340 invoked by uid 99); 31 Jul 2007 18:35:04 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of SRS0=9UeO=M5=apache.org=rolandw@srs.kundenserver.de designates 212.227.126.179 as permitted sender) Message-ID: <46AF80BC.6060906@apache.org> Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:34:36 +0200 From: Roland Weber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.5) Gecko/20070730 SeaMonkey/1.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jcp-open@apache.org Subject: Re: JSR-317 and JSR-318 Vote Today References: <11A2D4C6-4D44-4BAC-932A-D3708D7EB51B@pobox.com> <46AEF04E.40605@joda.org> In-Reply-To: <46AEF04E.40605@joda.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/vckYsJnglKG50I7VZRgkqs5b7AF9ePsUTzZf 37lsUAfhhoNIuOiY9ntRy9BnRnP+F3yl8tLZ+SnydDU7hnQMdn R7erVjjBV5RGWBVy3nWOD1QePWGiH1w X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Stephen Colebourne wrote: > I believe that the vote 'no to Sun-led JSRs' strategy is the correct one > for the foreseeable future. Sun have broken their JSPA agreement, > knowing we can't sue. This is currently our best course of action, > however we do need to determine what our next strategy is if this one > fails to succeed. I believe the technical term is "exit strategy". I agree with you that the VNTS-JSRs strategy is the best for now, but also with Andy's assessment that this strategy is basically ineffective. Either other participants of the JCP put pressure on Sun, or this situation will not be resolved at all. It's taken two months of discussion to get to this temporary strategy, it will take even longer to get to the next one. Sun will have ample time to reconsider, or not. If they do, everything's peachy. So the discussion should focus on the other case. cheers, Roland