Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-jcp-open-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 50784 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2007 11:49:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 13 Jul 2007 11:49:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 15068 invoked by uid 500); 13 Jul 2007 11:49:16 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-jcp-open-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 14978 invoked by uid 500); 13 Jul 2007 11:49:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact jcp-open-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: jcp-open@apache.org list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list jcp-open@apache.org Received: (qmail 14967 invoked by uid 99); 13 Jul 2007 11:49:16 -0000 Received: from herse.apache.org (HELO herse.apache.org) (140.211.11.133) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:49:16 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (herse.apache.org: domain of sa3ruby@gmail.com designates 64.233.162.234 as permitted sender) Received: from [64.233.162.234] (HELO nz-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.162.234) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:49:12 -0700 Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s1so390440nze for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:48:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=gpsh/doiWOA4Cj5vQmfbbycOFLwlsckd9bCHwFYR4Afk4dqzA68gnVxs8RkrJyYPzVjWZnPSDY4UKc7dynPyEFM2rIuXdcbEyDNreOGbHIfODputoo+jd21UPz0ftN89ItyDa5BpiKtjmNOf7ISRFaWzmTUBuZx105fN1XRRAQY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Q7xKWzgefA7p4PWwm/x8MnmaUA+2JoKM9oP5H9t85efmg24hBduUQgoguwF3m97+BFJvCUh4+DqRZtawT9tv6fFJicAxQwa3X0qfLSEprIPsgdB75ik7jnPM3OpCJZn0BKUZW4vsPReracff8fIdP91+br05fNt8tVmSDexbe4I= Received: by 10.115.59.4 with SMTP id m4mr1549859wak.1184327328315; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.169.8 with HTTP; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 04:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3d4032300707130448r6b17dfdeyc09a59d725971e95@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 07:48:48 -0400 From: "Sam Ruby" Sender: sa3ruby@gmail.com To: jcp-open@apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] New ASF/JCP Policies In-Reply-To: <4697545C.50108@apache.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070712025408.91256.qmail@web33805.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4696030D.9090009@apache.org> <4696B5B5.3020105@eircom.net> <4697545C.50108@apache.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: ac177019022d0329 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On 7/13/07, Steve Loughran wrote: > > This is why, today the T&Cs of the java and jcp licenses are so strict about > -adding stuff to the java, javax packages (no additions) > -taking stuff away (the completeness requirement) > -compliance: you can't just comment out the RMI stuff and throw > connection refused exceptions > > It's not just about retaining control/profit, its stopping anyone from > taking control away from Sun/the JCP. You know, given how Java was abused as a child, it is amazing how well-adjusted it turned out. Of course, Java's cousins from the Netherlands and Japan are healthy and vibrant too. - Sam Ruby