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From: Andrus Adamchik <andrus@objectstyle.org>
Subject: Re: [VOTE] New ASF/JCP Policies
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 22:41:26 +0300
To: jcp-open@apache.org

-1.

That's not how I imagine the ASF (should) work. While there may be  
binding and non-binding votes (this is to your point about random  
people reading the list), having an open discussion about JCP  
participation is important, and I am glad it is happening here and  
the vote is done in public. Committers are not random people, they  
are the people directly affected by the non-technical decisions.

As a non-member I may not know the full negotiation history, this  
doesn't mean that myself or committers from other projects have no  
business taking part in this discussion. Aside from a general  
openness issue in the ASF decision-making (which I'll be glad to  
discuss separately... ironically this whole discussion is about  
openness ... of the JCP), this particular one affects a lot of  
projects, Geronimo, Cayenne, etc. Somehow I feel folks from these  
projects should have a say.

Andrus


On Jul 3, 2007, at 10:29 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote:

> Sorry, I see no reason to vote on this issue. The ASF's JCP policies
> are set by the ASF board and its representative, the V.P.  Meta
> policies above that are set by the ASF members.  Neither group is
> representative of the people on this list.
>
> The ASF was designed to elect a small group of people to be
> responsible for the business decisions of the ASF while the vast
> majority of Apache committers can simply do what they are interested
> in doing for their own projects.  These issues are business decisions
> related to licensing and official participation in the JCP.
>
> I expect the board to make the strategic policy decision and the
> V.P. to apply the appropriate tactics to make it happen.  I trust
> that they will do so in the best interests of the ASF as a whole,
> with full knowledge of the negotiation history, and not leave their
> decision making to whoever happens to be on the mailing list this
> week.  Such is the nature of non-technical decisions at the ASF.
>
> ....Roy
>
>