Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-jcp-open-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 73284 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2007 10:06:44 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 19 Jul 2007 10:06:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 81633 invoked by uid 500); 19 Jul 2007 10:06:21 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-jcp-open-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 81509 invoked by uid 500); 19 Jul 2007 10:06:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact jcp-open-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: jcp-open@apache.org list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list jcp-open@apache.org Received: (qmail 81500 invoked by uid 99); 19 Jul 2007 10:06:20 -0000 Received: from herse.apache.org (HELO herse.apache.org) (140.211.11.133) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 03:06:20 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (herse.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [208.78.103.231] (HELO vorsha.objectstyle.org) (208.78.103.231) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with SMTP; Thu, 19 Jul 2007 03:06:17 -0700 Received: (qmail 19910 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2007 10:05:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?????o??IPv6:::1?) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 19 Jul 2007 10:05:57 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <5FA3B60E-0AF6-4D32-9803-919D30C06130@pobox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <00C4D942-478B-44E0-B1C3-895E47686146@apache.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Andrus Adamchik Subject: Re: JSR-316 Vote Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:05:53 +0300 To: jcp-open@apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Jul 19, 2007, at 9:04 AM, Bill Barker wrote: > If the ASF can't start acting like resposible adults on the > JCP, then it is probably better that we withdraw. I don't agree that ASF is acting irresponsibly in this case, but even a responsible action may bring no desired results. So... In such situations my own first preference is action, not activism, meaning - can we do the right thing ourselves vs. forcing somebody else into doing that right thing. (I don't imply anything bad by "activism", I simply mean that as one possible way of the problem solving). In this light the idea of an open standards body is much more attractive than a legal (or otherwise) war with Sun. That may be a long shot, but the benefit would be huge too. So anybody thinks this is a realistic idea, and dissatisfaction with JCP among its players is enough to get most of them on board? Andrus