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From "Geir Magnusson Jr." <g...@pobox.com>
Subject Re: servlet 3.0 (JSR-315)
Date Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:31:29 GMT

On Jul 3, 2007, at 3:57 AM, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:

> Roy T. Fielding schrieb:
>>> I have until midnight to change if we want to do something else.
>> I don't think that is enough.  When a bully starts kicking you around
>> the yard, you don't get anywhere by making speeches about policy.
>> The right thing to do is remind the bully that there is a downside
>> to being a bully: nobody is going to complain when you start kicking
>> them in the balls in response to their bullying.
>> The right thing, in this case, is to vote NO on any JSR proposed  
>> by Sun,
>> with a comment to the effect that the ASF cannot support any JSR
>> being run by any company that refuses to adhere to the JSPA.
> Well, as this is the *kick-off* vote, going nuclear right from the
> get-go might be the wrong message. We can still vote NO on the final
> resolution (which seems to be sometime Q4 '08) and we might even be  
> able
> to rally up a few more supporters from the EG.
> I'm with Geir here. We did make a statement by not saying "Yes" but
> there is no reason to annoy everyone besides Sun right at the start.

You misunderstand - a "no" vote for the reason that we don't believe  
Sun should be a spec lead because of their breach of the JSPA is far  
more defensible and rational than we're pondering our policy navel.


> To stretch your metaphor a bit more: You do not play chess with a  
> bully.
>  And ATM IMHO chess is needed, not BFT.
> 	Best regards
> 		Henning

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