Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-jcp-open-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 75493 invoked from network); 23 May 2007 00:49:38 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 23 May 2007 00:49:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 8677 invoked by uid 500); 23 May 2007 00:49:42 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-jcp-open-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 8569 invoked by uid 500); 23 May 2007 00:49:42 -0000 Mailing-List: contact jcp-open-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: jcp-open@apache.org list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list jcp-open@apache.org Delivered-To: moderator for jcp-open@apache.org Received: (qmail 71838 invoked by uid 99); 22 May 2007 22:03:13 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (herse.apache.org: local policy) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <2E0FCC72-9448-4B1E-9990-26D56C330575@apache.org> References: <19e0530f0705122026l4403918bt8903c8fce0a1cf4d@mail.gmail.com> <87fy60wmah.fsf@gemini.sunstarsys.com> <152428CC-E05D-41B9-A529-79BB3B93EFA1@pobox.com> <87bqgowk42.fsf@gemini.sunstarsys.com> <87irawupnx.fsf@gemini.sunstarsys.com> <2E0FCC72-9448-4B1E-9990-26D56C330575@apache.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <29BA17EF-9969-44A3-AC7C-3160B76BC003@iq80.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Dain Sundstrom Subject: Re: Any news on the TCK for Harmony? Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 15:02:55 -0700 To: jcp-open@apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On May 14, 2007, at 12:32 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > For me, the core problem is that Sun is violating the terms of the > JSPA. It's my belief that we need to treat Sun with that in mind > going forward, as we would treat any participant in the JCP that is > in violation of the rules. True, the structure of the JCP is that > in which Sun is is the common countersigner to the JSPA, but we > shouldn't "beatify" their position in the ecosystem. Sure, they > invented Java, and all things considered, have done a decent job of > stewardship. However, the fundamental premise behind the JCP is > that it's a community process, and I think we should seriously test > this assertion and decide what to do once we know. Is there any recourse in the JCP process to censure Sun or remove Sun from the JCP since they are (in our opinion) violating the agreements that form the foundation of the JCP itself? -dain