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From "Geir Magnusson Jr." <g...@pobox.com>
Subject Re: Any news on the TCK for Harmony?
Date Wed, 23 May 2007 07:11:58 GMT

On May 22, 2007, at 11:27 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:

> On May 22, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>
>> On May 22, 2007, at 6:02 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>>
>>> On May 14, 2007, at 12:32 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>
>>>> For me, the core problem is that Sun is violating the terms of  
>>>> the JSPA.  It's my belief that we need to treat Sun with that in  
>>>> mind going forward, as we would treat any participant in the JCP  
>>>> that is in violation of the rules.  True, the structure of the  
>>>> JCP is that in which Sun is is the common countersigner to the  
>>>> JSPA, but we shouldn't "beatify" their position in the  
>>>> ecosystem.  Sure, they invented Java, and all things considered,  
>>>> have done a decent job of stewardship.  However, the fundamental  
>>>> premise behind the JCP is that it's a community process, and I  
>>>> think we should seriously test this assertion and decide what to  
>>>> do once we know.
>>>
>>> Is there any recourse in the JCP process to censure Sun or remove  
>>> Sun from the JCP since they are (in our opinion) violating the  
>>> agreements that form the foundation of the JCP itself?
>>>
>>
>> Structurally?  No.  Sun runs the Program Management Organization  
>> (the "PMO") and the legal structure of the JCP is a hub-and-spoke  
>> web of contracts (the JSPA) between Sun and every member.  Short  
>> of suing them, which isn't something we're planning, the only  
>> thing we can do is apply pressure via the community and our EC  
>> voting, which will both do.
>
> Boy, that doesn't seem like a fair structure.  Oh well, not a whole  
> lot we can do about that now.

No, but life is a series of changes.   This can't last forever.   
After all, there are options.

geir

>
> -dain


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