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From Dain Sundstrom <d...@iq80.com>
Subject Re: Any news on the TCK for Harmony?
Date Wed, 23 May 2007 03:27:12 GMT
On May 22, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:

> On May 22, 2007, at 6:02 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
>
>> On May 14, 2007, at 12:32 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>
>>> For me, the core problem is that Sun is violating the terms of  
>>> the JSPA.  It's my belief that we need to treat Sun with that in  
>>> mind going forward, as we would treat any participant in the JCP  
>>> that is in violation of the rules.  True, the structure of the  
>>> JCP is that in which Sun is is the common countersigner to the  
>>> JSPA, but we shouldn't "beatify" their position in the  
>>> ecosystem.  Sure, they invented Java, and all things considered,  
>>> have done a decent job of stewardship.  However, the fundamental  
>>> premise behind the JCP is that it's a community process, and I  
>>> think we should seriously test this assertion and decide what to  
>>> do once we know.
>>
>> Is there any recourse in the JCP process to censure Sun or remove  
>> Sun from the JCP since they are (in our opinion) violating the  
>> agreements that form the foundation of the JCP itself?
>>
>
> Structurally?  No.  Sun runs the Program Management Organization  
> (the "PMO") and the legal structure of the JCP is a hub-and-spoke  
> web of contracts (the JSPA) between Sun and every member.  Short of  
> suing them, which isn't something we're planning, the only thing we  
> can do is apply pressure via the community and our EC voting, which  
> will both do.

Boy, that doesn't seem like a fair structure.  Oh well, not a whole  
lot we can do about that now.

-dain

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