Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-jcp-open-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 4018 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2006 00:15:22 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 2 Mar 2006 00:15:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 63977 invoked by uid 500); 2 Mar 2006 00:16:08 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-jcp-open-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 63906 invoked by uid 500); 2 Mar 2006 00:16:08 -0000 Mailing-List: contact jcp-open-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Reply-To: jcp-open@apache.org list-help: list-unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Delivered-To: mailing list jcp-open@apache.org Received: (qmail 63897 invoked by uid 99); 2 Mar 2006 00:16:07 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:16:07 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=10.0 tests=SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (asf.osuosl.org: 64.74.244.71 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of geir@pobox.com) Received: from [64.74.244.71] (HELO chi.mobile-health-diary.com) (64.74.244.71) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with SMTP; Wed, 01 Mar 2006 16:16:07 -0800 Received: (qmail 18678 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2006 00:15:42 -0000 Received: from ool-43560634.dyn.optonline.net (HELO ?192.168.2.5?) (geir@67.86.6.52) by b014.internal.mobile-health-diary.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2006 00:15:42 -0000 Message-ID: <440638F4.90807@pobox.com> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 19:14:44 -0500 From: Geir Magnusson Jr Reply-To: geir@pobox.com User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jcp-open@apache.org Subject: Re: JSR 291 : OSGi References: <440499F0.60901@pobox.com> <440613AA.1090101@ungoverned.org> <5851BABA-13FC-493E-9360-56CF7860D686@iq80.com> In-Reply-To: <5851BABA-13FC-493E-9360-56CF7860D686@iq80.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Dain Sundstrom wrote: > On Mar 1, 2006, at 1:35 PM, Richard S. Hall wrote: > >> From my point of view, it is worthwhile to try to get OSGi R4 into the >> JCP. I think it could open up the process, which would be good, but I >> hope that it will also give legitimacy to the value that OSGi provides >> so that related work (such as JSR277) take OSGi into account. The last >> thing I want or that Java needs is a fragmented picture on modularity. > > I understand you the OSGi Alliance would want this, but why would the > JCP want to lend it's legitimacy to an outside group? This just seems > like a really really bad idea. To me this is the JCP giving the nod to > big companies to develop specs in private and then later you can come > get your stamp. I think that the JCP crossed that bridge a long time ago. Like when it was founded... > > My guess is the next spec we will see is SCA from IBM, which was > specifically developed outside of the JCP process for whatever reason. I'd be surprised. I thought SCA was intended for the opposite - to get SOA momentum away from the JCP. Let it stew in the J2EE mess... geir > Is the future of the JCP external specs? > > -dain > >