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From "Daniel Gruno (JIRA)" <j...@apache.org>
Subject [jira] [Commented] (INFRA-12024) Permalink permanence
Date Thu, 02 Jun 2016 08:53:59 GMT

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Daniel Gruno commented on INFRA-12024:

We can disable the short link, sure.
I don't understand the "some lists are private" argument. So what? If you weren't meant to
see that email, what do you care which list it's on?

Yes, it doesn't use the Message ID that the email provides (those can be spoofed/duplicated),
that's a design choice. No way around that.
If you want to find an offline copy of the message, you can view the source and find the original
ID there.

If you want to have some changes done so that you can use/find/whatever the original message
ID, I suggest you get involved with the project behind the system. 
We (infra) cannot help you with that.

> Permalink permanence
> --------------------
>                 Key: INFRA-12024
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-12024
>             Project: Infrastructure
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: Mail Archives
>            Reporter: Sebb
>            Priority: Minor
> A permalink to a mail message should always be able to find the same mail.
> This is achieved for the existing mail archives by using the message-id.
> However the Pony Mail solution (as installed) uses a shorter hash generated from some
of the mail contents.
> As a result, message links in future will be of two forms:
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/httpd-dev/201606.mbox/%3CCACsi252b-KUB-HtPQTe7Ti%2Bxrek2XK%2B%3DuKvfcO9diCN0Dg1kKQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E
> and
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/Zfp0souj6y08k06
> The latter link is obviously much shorter, but has the disadvantage that it cannot be
compared with existing links. Also one cannot see which mailing list it is from.
> Futhermore, the hashes are not stored in the mbox file, so it's not possible to search
for the message in offline copies of the mail. AFAICT the hash only works with the correct
version of the PonyMail software.
> I think the same permalink style must be retained for any mail archive system that is
used by the ASF.
> What happens if (when) the mail archive software is changed again?
> Will there be 3 different permalink styles?
> I think this needs to be addressed urgently, before too many new style permalinks are

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