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From sebb <seb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: LDAP custom-asf schema - family name?
Date Thu, 09 Jun 2011 09:03:55 GMT
On 9 June 2011 09:44, Nóirín Plunkett <noirin@apache.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:35 AM, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Tony wrote that he is working on the custom-asf schema currently.
>>
>> It would be very useful for generating sorted lists of names if LDAP
>> contained each person's given name and family name - or at least the
>> family name and the full name.
>
> Eeep!
>
> I see many unspoken assumptions here that I think we need to be careful about.
>
> Sorting names is *hard*. Hell, even splitting names into "given" and
> "family" has pitfalls, and it's certainly not always appropriate to
> sort on "family name".
>
>> Is that something that exists already, or is being considered?
>>
>> Also, there is a distinction between a person's full name (legal name)
>> and their name as they wish it to be known publicly. These are not
>> always the same.
>
> The distinction between legal name (which may or may not actually be
> the same as full name) and public name is, as far as I know, already
> being accounted for in the planned schema.
>
>> For the purposes of generating public output, of course the public
>> name should always be used.
>
> Agreed, of course :-)
>
>> This is not always directly related to the full name, so it implies
>> that the family name should either be public or there need to be
>> separate versions for the full and public versions.
>
> I think you're suggesting that output should be sorted on family name.
> This is a) assuming that everyone *has* a family name, which isn't
> always the case; b) inappropriate for several cultures, particularly
> those where names are patronymic; c) not as straightforward as you
> think even if everyone does have a family name and none of them are
> patronyms.
>
> For example, what's the correct sort order for some (actual :-) )
> friends of mine?
>
> Van Riper, Christian van den Bosch, Hugo van der Merwe, Paul Fenwick
>
> (Yes, there's more than one correct answer.)
>
> I think it's best to stick to "legal name" and "public name", and
> simply do a string sort on public name.

However our web-pages are currently mainly sorted on "last name",
rather than full name.

There must be some way to indicate which part of a name is to be used
first when sorting.
It does not have to be called family name.

> Nóirín
>

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