Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-infrastructure-dev-archive@locus.apache.org Received: (qmail 82638 invoked from network); 2 May 2008 19:33:17 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 2 May 2008 19:33:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 29436 invoked by uid 500); 2 May 2008 19:33:19 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-infrastructure-dev-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 29375 invoked by uid 500); 2 May 2008 19:33:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact infrastructure-dev-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: infrastructure-dev@apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list infrastructure-dev@apache.org Received: (qmail 29363 invoked by uid 99); 2 May 2008 19:33:18 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 02 May 2008 12:33:18 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=10.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of matthieu.riou@gmail.com designates 74.125.46.29 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.125.46.29] (HELO yw-out-2324.google.com) (74.125.46.29) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 02 May 2008 19:32:32 +0000 Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 5so1102015ywh.59 for ; Fri, 02 May 2008 12:32:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=tGhvROQw0fOYqBRz0Bo9Nt8CP1t1p9R258jPeSOdvI0=; b=kbKBL4fK2pSc69G02RfJtfSRMYfj+xJVMeg72Zr8mXp8GW5Qth45eqjglOQXDiJuKbXI8BQkIRZjp2JRUE3Y+GMg4Sdl/OICOVaQa4SA++lT0OCYs3kYd+chiBXfsqXqWnHZs7QGAjenyjNUdq1hyc8VqJHgg6hxFjiRWwO34As= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=CQ1FJ+ARvbShg7HrpRo8xahMjS20nT+389r/H2kinHHFkUYKVfkOH2SHOF91j76qeMqdvFMMj8NWp7s/n+ej8Wzk0sBmDQLLjrYqm0PYKrP7tJG56sBnYAyJpd2xNaKShBArs1oW/JD/0U4/LIXnRqpyKFKC7NtiemN08xBPC0w= Received: by 10.150.69.41 with SMTP id r41mr3935358yba.51.1209756765664; Fri, 02 May 2008 12:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.206.1 with HTTP; Fri, 2 May 2008 12:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 12:32:45 -0700 From: "Matthieu Riou" Sender: matthieu.riou@gmail.com To: infrastructure-dev@apache.org Subject: Re: Best Practices so far? In-Reply-To: <5c902b9e0805021204l100c8038n6728cd4dc5d1dfbd@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1626_19116753.1209756765673" References: <481ACF4C.9040509@gmail.com> <510143ac0805020507m302bcbfcje3d77bf9e6437722@mail.gmail.com> <510143ac0805020739s1f0bc6e4t1fd45e3f563c633@mail.gmail.com> <481B3378.30709@apache.org> <5c902b9e0805020930l1bace3b3vbe2eaaa55ee4a08e@mail.gmail.com> <1209750754.5614.538.camel@marlow> <5c902b9e0805021143x7c3083cg3be197453b9c994d@mail.gmail.com> <1209754696.5614.556.camel@marlow> <5c902b9e0805021204l100c8038n6728cd4dc5d1dfbd@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 76119643a8213176 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org ------=_Part_1626_19116753.1209756765673 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Santiago Gala > wrote: > > Not asking for a switch, only for an alternate service, much like zones > > have not removed p.a.o stuff. > > As I have repeatedly said (and as you seem to consistently ignore), it > is impractical for the core infrastructure team to support multiple > SCM tools. I'm not vehemently opposed to switching - but there needs > to be at least a modicum of thought put into it before sticking the > infrastructure team with a new SCM. > > > Testing something like this in a zone scale would give us a better > idea, > > and again no need to a "switch" plan, just to a "sustainability as a > > service" plan. > > As I've repeatedly stated, a 'zone' does not offer you anything at > all. The fact that you're asking for a zone indicates that you don't > understand how git is designed to work. It is meant that you have a > local copy of the entire repository. Having a remote copy sitting on > another server is to defeat the purpose of a dSCM. > So http://github.com have it all wrong? Cheers, Matthieu > > > This is why I call your (collective your) "WE DO NOT DO THAT!!!" or > your > > (again collective your) "I want to see a detailed switch plan!" as FUD. > > And I'm really getting tired of it. I was not expecting such dirty > > political moves around an issue that is so plainly technical, and I was > > not expecting that disagreement of those items made some people > > systematically cast doubts about our "loyalty" to the ASF principles. > > First off, we will *not* be deploying any services that don't have a > thought-out and documented plan. This is simply good system > administration practice. If you continue to ignore this and whine and > blather on, you simply won't get anywhere. I won't apologize for > asking that you spell out what it is that you want before considering > anything. -- justin > ------=_Part_1626_19116753.1209756765673--