Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-infrastructure-dev-archive@locus.apache.org Received: (qmail 3187 invoked from network); 1 May 2008 18:52:03 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 1 May 2008 18:52:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 66234 invoked by uid 500); 1 May 2008 18:52:04 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-infrastructure-dev-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 66163 invoked by uid 500); 1 May 2008 18:52:04 -0000 Mailing-List: contact infrastructure-dev-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: infrastructure-dev@apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list infrastructure-dev@apache.org Received: (qmail 66152 invoked by uid 99); 1 May 2008 18:52:04 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 May 2008 11:52:04 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of santiago.gala@gmail.com designates 72.14.220.152 as permitted sender) Received: from [72.14.220.152] (HELO fg-out-1718.google.com) (72.14.220.152) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 May 2008 18:51:10 +0000 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e21so760803fga.29 for ; Thu, 01 May 2008 11:51:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JxF2eKrBAk2HMj3MilsVG9GVVqgTMGUg04rDFzn2FoI=; b=wbuakKEoboi0QFKwWmRp32Uv3asoLoBikfyGzqQmxSN+oXntHlwvBj9p356dO7nKFeATmZESHrP77i9htPPVo48ZSbu8oxBGx/oZDDe3YVttEGBHQsnw+6SF7WNP/zUQJvDT8Fbknhe+r9WNxKrdXBBqG1xlCa4oEECEOvJuf+c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=W3OTI+jQ6cP1M6sekPaS7O9YFLAGupeoErVIkQlJ02fyFqNoPIu7uwMqR04VQoENKUPdhe0y/rv0iq7J+HwZ0aEWyBGtw8SRNqkSSy6H0T09ubjrF2PEEwxRx1fsQMN70/KWevwwwrJjYzYWIN8fRkyVoBPDfiklTtK8OTy76W8= Received: by 10.86.28.2 with SMTP id b2mr2169576fgb.10.1209667891867; Thu, 01 May 2008 11:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?172.27.70.188? ( [81.33.31.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v23sm3447458fkd.18.2008.05.01.11.51.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 01 May 2008 11:51:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: [dSCM] Use case: infra down for maintenance From: Santiago Gala To: infrastructure-dev@apache.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 20:53:56 +0200 Message-Id: <1209668036.5614.299.camel@marlow> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org El jue, 01-05-2008 a las 13:47 -0400, Noel J. Bergman escribió: > Santiago Gala wrote: > > > The recent days of hardware problems > > is not a justification for dSCM. Has anybody said it was except you? NO. Frankly, I'm beginning to get tired of having naysayers around. No need to be defensive. > There have been how many outages since > switching to SVN? How many total between CVS and SVN over 8 years? Scaling up goes very well until it hits the ceiling, as people trying to compete with google knows well. > And, as you note, this could be addressed "by having a copy of the > repository with the whole history > server temporarily from a different place (say p.a.o or a hosting place)", > which is part of the plan. Cool, I was not trying at all to critizice the plan or the execution. As you might have noticed (I didn't cc: committers@ to avoid spamming) I thanked the effort of the infra team in this crisis. > > We do not want "peer to peer between developers" -- that is a violation of > our development methodology, not a tool limitation. > Please, define $We. I'm a member of the ASF, active in a few PMCs, and have been an officer for some yers, and I don't feel included in such $We. And stating that it is a violation is stating that the practice of attaching patches or having "vendor" repositories that are synced via patches is a "violation of our development methodology". I clearly would like to see where is "our development methodology" documented with such precision. Regards Santiago > --- Noel > > -- Santiago Gala http://memojo.com/~sgala/blog/