Hi, i just started to make a list the releases of the 1.3 and 2.x Series. I saw that there is an xml-file with a list of severel releases from the 0.x,1.1, 1.2, releases. Mine is made with Open Office, but I think in the future I could change it to the proposed XML Format. I have a question about how to find out the release manager. At the moment I looked who did the announcement and took this person as a release manager. Is that correct or how do I know who is the actual release manager? HTML: http://www.trash.net/users/boos/tmp/apache/release_manager.html Open Office (Calc): http://www.trash.net/users/boos/tmp/apache/release_manager.sxc CSV: http://www.trash.net/users/boos/tmp/apache/release_manager_1_3.csv http://www.trash.net/users/boos/tmp/apache/release_manager_2_0.csv I think that I am going to calculate the time between the releases and maybe analyse several other parts. An other interesting point would be the size of the source code. At the moment there are online ziped version online. Is it possible to get the size of each release without downloading it? Any other ideas? Is it maybe possible to ask some questions to several developpers? How should I proceed? regards daniel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: history-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: history-help@apache.org
Am Mittwoch, 11. Juni 2003 16.09 schrieb Rich Bowen: > It is sleeping. We had great plans, and then Real Life got in the way. > We would be delighted to incorporate any information that you have. Of course you can incorporate my informations. But I don't have that much information. The release cycles are one topic I'm looking at. Other topics are the specialisation of work, process of decision taking and the coordination. I would like to analyse these processes from a sociological point (or rather organizational) of view. > I think that one problem was that I started reading the email archives, > which are somewhere around 100K articles right now. That gets tiresome > very fast. Another approach might be better, but I'm not sure what that > approach is. I also started to read several month of the discussion in the mailinglist. And I think it is quite hard to read all the messages from the beginning. Maybe we could join the forces. First of all we would have to think about a categorization of the e-mails and the questions that should be answered. - daniel --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: history-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: history-help@apache.org
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Daniel Boos wrote: > Hi, > > I first sent this article to two newsgroups and I got an e-Mail about the > Apache History Project. > > I made a list of the number of releases from several versions of the Apache > HTTPD Server. I composed the list out of different ressources[1],[2],[3],[4]. > I attached an HTML Version of the table. > > |Serie |Type |First |Last |Number of | > | | |Release |Release |Releases | > | 0.x|unstable | 18.03.95| 05.11.95| 32| > | 1|stable | 23.11.95| 23.02.96| 4| > | 1.1b|beta | 09.02.96| 17.06.96| 6| > | 1.1|stable | 04.07.96| 12.07.96| 2| > | 1.2b|beta | 02.12.96| 30.05.97| 11| > | 1.2|stable | 10.06.97| 18.02.98| 7| > | 1.3b|beta | 23.07.97| 26.05.98| 7| > | 1.3|stable | 05.06.98| 03.10.02| 28| > | 2a|Alpha/beta| 10.03.00| 16.02.02| 14| > | 2|stable | 05.04.02| 27.05.03| 9| > > > The date of the first releases (1.1.1, 1.1b4 ...) where hard to find. There > are several differences between the Changefiles and ApacheWeek. Does > anybody have a further data of the different releases? > > What are the plans with the Apache History Project? It looks like the project > is sleeping. I'm interested in the History of Apache and actually I would > like to help. It is sleeping. We had great plans, and then Real Life got in the way. We would be delighted to incorporate any information that you have. I think that one problem was that I started reading the email archives, which are somewhere around 100K articles right now. That gets tiresome very fast. Another approach might be better, but I'm not sure what that approach is. -- Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com ... and another brother out of his mind, and another brother out at New York (not the same, though it might appear so) Somebody's Luggage (Charles Dickens) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: history-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: history-help@apache.org
Hi, I first sent this article to two newsgroups and I got an e-Mail about the Apache History Project. I made a list of the number of releases from several versions of the Apache HTTPD Server. I composed the list out of different ressources[1],[2],[3],[4]. I attached an HTML Version of the table. |Serie |Type |First |Last |Number of | | | |Release |Release |Releases | | 0.x|unstable | 18.03.95| 05.11.95| 32| | 1|stable | 23.11.95| 23.02.96| 4| | 1.1b|beta | 09.02.96| 17.06.96| 6| | 1.1|stable | 04.07.96| 12.07.96| 2| | 1.2b|beta | 02.12.96| 30.05.97| 11| | 1.2|stable | 10.06.97| 18.02.98| 7| | 1.3b|beta | 23.07.97| 26.05.98| 7| | 1.3|stable | 05.06.98| 03.10.02| 28| | 2a|Alpha/beta| 10.03.00| 16.02.02| 14| | 2|stable | 05.04.02| 27.05.03| 9| The date of the first releases (1.1.1, 1.1b4 ...) where hard to find. There are several differences between the Changefiles and ApacheWeek. Does anybody have a further data of the different releases? What are the plans with the Apache History Project? It looks like the project is sleeping. I'm interested in the History of Apache and actually I would like to help. cheers daniel boos
On Sat, Jul 06, 2002 at 04:47:07PM -0400, Rich Bowen wrote:
> I am would really like to have an Apache timeline to show in my Intro to
> Apache talk in San Diego (OSSCon) the end of this month, and am working
> towards having something like this at http://www.apache.org/history/ by
> then. What I keep tripping over is the fact that we are doing a history
> of the Apache Software Foundation, not a history of the Apache HTTPd
> project. I'm reluctant to put anything into CVS that I will later have
> to remove, so I will rethink this before I commit anything. What I think
> I want, then, is to talk about the general structure of the web site -
> how people see the site map looking. Is this one subdir per project?
> Does the web server get any preferential treatment for being first? What
> should the ASF timeline look like? I was thinking major dates, and when
> particular projects started, mainly, but perhaps also include major
> version releases of various projects. Thoughts, anyone?
The timeline should cover at least significant events in the Apache history.
When was the httpd first introduced, major releases (first,shambala(sp?),etc)
When the ASF was formed, when each sub project was launched, significant
releases of subprojects etc.
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I am would really like to have an Apache timeline to show in my Intro to Apache talk in San Diego (OSSCon) the end of this month, and am working towards having something like this at http://www.apache.org/history/ by then. What I keep tripping over is the fact that we are doing a history of the Apache Software Foundation, not a history of the Apache HTTPd project. I'm reluctant to put anything into CVS that I will later have to remove, so I will rethink this before I commit anything. What I think I want, then, is to talk about the general structure of the web site - how people see the site map looking. Is this one subdir per project? Does the web server get any preferential treatment for being first? What should the ASF timeline look like? I was thinking major dates, and when particular projects started, mainly, but perhaps also include major version releases of various projects. Thoughts, anyone? -- Oh I have slipped the surly bonds of earth And danced the sky on laughter-silvered wings --High Flight (John Gillespie Magee) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: history-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: history-help@apache.org
As we are now in the midst of one of the most important historical events thus far in the history of Apache, we need to be doing something to preserve the moment. The recent ApacheWeek article has some great links, and I immediately wondered how long those links will be valid. I'm going to try to get permission from those places to mirror the content on the Apache history site so that we still have it 10 years from now. -- Oh I have slipped the surly bonds of earth And danced the sky on laughter-silvered wings --High Flight (John Gillespie Magee) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: history-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: history-help@apache.org
On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Thomas Eibner wrote: > Rich (and everyone else) > > Might this be the missing discussion we were trying to find? > > Message-Id: <199503101313.FAA08822@lazlo.steam.com> > > Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 05:13:28 -0800 > From: Cliff Skolnick <cliffs@steam.com> > To: new-httpd@hyperreal.com > Reply-To: new-httpd@hyperreal.com > Subject: name > > > We need to pick a name for this project. I don't remember > getting a consensus about apache, but perhaps I missed something. > Ideas? Thoughts? Rants? > > Cliff To me, this indicates that there was a prior discussion, which is therefore missing from the archive. In this mythical discussion, clearly *someone* proposed the name Apache. So, yes, this is *referring* to them missing discussion. Remember that in these days, none of these folks had met one another, spoken on the phone, or otherwise communicated in any fashion other than email and usenet. Hmm. I guess I had not thought about usenet. We should search the google usenet archives. While the discussion *may* not be archived, the name Apache was certainly suggested by someone in an email format at some point. I'd like to know who and when, and, more importantly, why, to see once and for all if it really was simply "a patchy server" or if the respect due to the Apache people was in fact there from the beginning. -- Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com ReefKnot - http://www.reefknot.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: history-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: history-help@apache.org
On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Thomas Eibner wrote: > Digging through the old mboxes and I'm noting messages that are funny or > just has a good comment in them to be added to a future quotes file that > might be useful or useles who knows. > > I guess it might be a good idea to get the authors approval to use the > comments? Oh, yeah, I suppose we need to do that. Publically-archived mailing lists are a strange beast, copyright-wise. All of these quotes are already on the web, and may be considered to have been said publically, such as a public speech, and so may be quoted without permission, with attribution, without any risk of copyright infringement. That being said, it would be nice to ask. Of course, if any of them say no, then we will be obliged to honor that - ethically, if not legally. -- Pilgrim, how you journey on the road you chose To find out where the winds die and where the stories go --Pilgrim (Enya - A Day Without Rain) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: history-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: history-help@apache.org
I have committed some stuff to the 'site' csv repository under history/ so we should have a web site at http://www.apache.org/history/ However, I appear not to have access to that machine to cvs update the relevant directory. I mention this mainly to say that the web site will be there some day, not to complain about lack of access. I think I know how to obtain it when I need it, and there's really not enough in the repository to be worth putting out there yet. I'd like to have a little more than *just* mailing list information before rolling out. Also, it would be nice to have a history-cvs mailing list. (?) -- Nothing is perfekt. Certainly not me. Success to failure. Just a matter of degrees. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: history-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: history-help@apache.org
On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Thomas Eibner wrote: > To get something rolling I'm posting the initial roadmap for what Rich > and I envisioned for the History Project. First, many thanks for putting this together. This will be very helpful going forward. (Geez, I sound like a manager.) > --start roadmap > > The History Project aims to research and collect information related to: > > General History of Apache httpd > * Before Apache We're received some correspondance from Rob McCool regarding the NCSA project, and have gotten his approval to use it in whatever fashion we see fit. I will attempt to write some of that up, along with the details that we have derived from the NCSA archives. I'm not sure how far we want to go back, but the www-talk mail archives are amusing reading whether or not we use any of that stuff. *somebody* needs to write summaries of those archives. > * Why Apache Rob partially answered this question. > * Initial Development Team > * How Apache became one of the most successful OSS projects to date I want to reiterate that, at least to me, this is one of the most important points. History is interesting for its own sake, but it most useful of we, and others, can learn from it. > * Changes in Development Environment (1 > * Casestudy: Apache Development model (and how it has evolved) > > Apache httpd Release timeline > * Release Date > * Changelog / Release notes > * Tarball > * Usage statistics I think that we can/should contact Netcraft and see what we can do, other than just linking to their web site. They seem reasonable folks. > * Other Important Release informaton > Version > Release Manager > Security Fixes > New Directives > Changed Directives > State (Alpha/Beta/GA) > Etc. > > Apache Software Foundation History > * How ASF was formed, legal issues. (2 (3 > * Project Profiles > * Member Profiles > Join Date > First List Post > Description of work done for project We need to be very careful about this for a number of reasons. We don't want to imply greater importance of one person or another, to imply that volume, or ancientness, of mail postings, are somehow proportional to personal value, or otherwise infer that any one person has contributed less importantly. While I know that we will not do this intentionally, some people take offense at funny things. > Subprojects History > * Convince at least one person from each project to participate and > maintain history of that project. > * Short historical description > * Usage statistics > * Same project parts as the httpd history projects Some projects will be easier than others, and, indeed, some have already said that they are interested. Others are less forthcoming. IMHO, the Java project in particular will be interesting - trying to unravel where it is today is a hard enough task. Understanding how it got there could be very enlightening. > Quote collection from development lists > * Historical comments > * Funny comments There are a *lot* of the latter. I suppose we should send them to the mailing list tagged in some fashion, such as [QUOTE] in the title, so that they are easy to re-collect later. -- Who can say where the road goes Where the day flows Only time --Pilgrim (Enya - A Day Without Rain) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: history-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: history-help@apache.org
Rich (and everyone else) Might this be the missing discussion we were trying to find? Message-Id: <199503101313.FAA08822@lazlo.steam.com> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 05:13:28 -0800 From: Cliff Skolnick <cliffs@steam.com> To: new-httpd@hyperreal.com Reply-To: new-httpd@hyperreal.com Subject: name We need to pick a name for this project. I don't remember getting a consensus about apache, but perhaps I missed something. Ideas? Thoughts? Rants? Cliff -- Thomas Eibner <http://thomas.eibner.dk/> DnsZone <http://dnszone.org/> mod_pointer <http://stderr.net/mod_pointer> <http://photos.eibner.dk/> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: history-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: history-help@apache.org
Digging through the old mboxes and I'm noting messages that are funny or just has a good comment in them to be added to a future quotes file that might be useful or useles who knows. I guess it might be a good idea to get the authors approval to use the comments? -- Thomas Eibner <http://thomas.eibner.dk/> DnsZone <http://dnszone.org/> mod_pointer <http://stderr.net/mod_pointer> <http://photos.eibner.dk/>
As we have already dug up some information about older releases it might
be useful to share this information if anyone is interested in
contributing to it.
We would like for the list to be as complete as we can make it and
possibly include as much information we can dig up about the release;
the source, new directives that went in, stability etc.
We're using the mailboxes available at http://httpd.apache.org/mail/dev/
to read through the 87,000 emails that have been sent over the period
from March in '95 to now. If you feel like helping, download some of the
mailboxes and submit patches to the release timeline.
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To get something rolling I'm posting the initial roadmap for what Rich
and I envisioned for the History Project.
--start roadmap
The History Project aims to research and collect information related to:
General History of Apache httpd
* Before Apache
* Why Apache
* Initial Development Team
* How Apache became one of the most successful OSS projects to date
* Changes in Development Environment (1
* Casestudy: Apache Development model (and how it has evolved)
Apache httpd Release timeline
* Release Date
* Changelog / Release notes
* Tarball
* Usage statistics
* Other Important Release informaton
Version
Release Manager
Security Fixes
New Directives
Changed Directives
State (Alpha/Beta/GA)
Etc.
Apache Software Foundation History
* How ASF was formed, legal issues. (2 (3
* Project Profiles
* Member Profiles
Join Date
First List Post
Description of work done for project
Subprojects History
* Convince at least one person from each project to participate and
maintain history of that project.
* Short historical description
* Usage statistics
* Same project parts as the httpd history projects
Quote collection from development lists
* Historical comments
* Funny comments
(1 Jim:
Also useful, I think, would be a description of how the actual
coding environment changed, from people submitting patches and one
person being responsible for folding them into the code, the
"3 +1s" required for a patch to be included, review-then-commit
vs. commit-then-review, etc...
(2 Mads:
[15:37] <quasi> That could actually be _very_ interesting - along with stuff
about how the foundation was formed - legal issues and stuff
(3 Rich:
[15:38] <DrBacchus> quasi: Actually, it's one of the *most* important things,
in my mind, as it falls under the "what works, what doesn't work,
why Apache is successful" header.
[15:48] <DrBacchus> One of the most important roles that Apache plays, apart
from being a damned fine product, is as a model of how OSS projects
are *supposed* to work.
[15:48] <DrBacchus> Folks inside the project often don't see that aspect of
things.
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> From: Alton Harkcom <harkcom@earthlink.net> > Subject: Apache Platforms and History > Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 22:37:51 -0400 > Reply-To: harkcom@earthlink.net > > Hi, > > I'm interested in learning more > about the History of Apache. In > particular the beginnings. What > devices were apache driven and how > were they used... When they were used... > > Thanks, > Al Al, As it happens, a few of us have just started in on an Apache History project, delving into the historical record (mostly the 84,000 messages in the archives of the httpd-dev mailing list, but also elsewhere) to try to figure out how things happened the way that they did, and why it worked. We are just in the beginning phases of this, and there are really only two people actively involved. We will have a web site later this week at http://www.apache.org/history/ which will have, among other things, subscription information for the mailing list where we will be discussing our finds. I'm sorry that we don't have an immediate answer to your question, but we are working on it, and would be very interested in any answers that you might come up with in your research. -- Pilgrim, how you journey on the road you chose To find out where the winds die and where the stories go --Pilgrim (Enya - A Day Without Rain) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: history-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: history-help@apache.org
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 09:12:17 -0700 From: Rob McCool <robm@robm.com> To: Rich Bowen <rbowen@rcbowen.com> Cc: Thomas Eibner <thomas@stderr.net> Subject: Re: Introduction, looking for NCSA httpd history > Thanks for this great information. May I resend the message to the > history@apache.org mailing list for permanent archival? May we > shamelessly drop your name in following up on some of these leads? Yes, you may send it to history@apache.org, and you may also either mention me, not mention me, or disparage me depending on how likely that action is to help you get what you want from people :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: history-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: history-help@apache.org
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 10:26:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Rich Bowen <rbowen@rcbowen.com> To: Rob McCool <robm@robm.com> Cc: Thomas Eibner <thomas@stderr.net> Subject: Re: Introduction, looking for NCSA httpd history Thanks for this great information. May I resend the message to the history@apache.org mailing list for permanent archival? May we shamelessly drop your name in following up on some of these leads? -- Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com ReefKnot - http://www.reefknot.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: history-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: history-help@apache.org
For the archives ... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 21:26:37 -0700 From: Rob McCool <robm@robm.com> To: Rich Bowen <rbowen@rcbowen.com> Cc: Randy Terbush <randy@terbush.org>, Thomas Eibner <thomas@stderr.net> Subject: Re: Introduction, looking for NCSA httpd history > Thanks for your quick response. We're still a little unprepared, as we > are still reading through the email archives (8 years of email takes a > while to get through!) but we do have a few questions if you are willing > to humor us. > > By the way, "we" is myself and Thomas Eibner. > > We'd like to know ... > > How did you first get involved in the NCSA HTTPd project, and who else > worked on that with you? It was largely me, Eric Bina did some work on group annotations, and I took some ideas/code/etc. from a number of people across the Web. If I tried to name them I'd probably forget a lot of people. I first got involved because Marc wanted to have a small, simple server that people could use with Mosaic. He felt the CERN server was too large and complex, and that something small and easy to understand would facilitate more widespread adoption. > What event(s) resulted in that project's demise, which was the catalyst > for Apache? What event(s) resulted in the project's revival, and then > its later re-demise? I left and went to Netscape. It was a conflict of interest to continue working on NCSA httpd, and so it languished after I released 1.3. There was a maintainer, but there wasn't much forward progress and I was never sure why. The guy who was doing the maintenance was Carlos Varela, maybe he can tell you more about what happened. The catalyst for Apache was this lack of effort in maintaining NCSA httpd; people had stuff they needed done and it wasn't getting done. NCSA later decided that they would revive the project, and so two new releases were created (1.4, 1.5). I wasn't around when the revival became a redemise, so I don't know what happened. The person to ask would be Brandon Long; he was the primary push behind the revival. There's a list of people who were largely involved in the revival here: http://hoohoo.ncsa.uiuc.edu/docs/acknowledgement.html > We're trying to track down when the name "Apache" first came into use, > and what the real reasons were for that. The earliest email archives we > have talk about a decision, but post-date the actual discussion itself. > Any memories you may have of that would be helpful. I wasn't involved in the discussion, so I'm not sure I can help you. The best I was able to come up with is this: http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/417/1995/2/0/2312442/ > Do you have a release history of NCSA HTTPd, what changes were in the > various versions? Any email archives from the development? Best place to look for early release history is here: ftp://ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Web/httpd/Unix/ncsa_httpd/old/httpd-0.5/README and in the README files in various packages here: ftp://ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Web/httpd/Unix/ncsa_httpd/ Email archives from the development would probably best be found in old archives of www-talk, search for my name if you want to try and find threads relevant to httpd. > Do you have the source for any/all of the released versions of NCSA > HTTPd? Of most interest would be the version against which the original > Apache patches were to be applied. But any versions would be > appreciated. Look in the "old" subdirectory of the second ftp://ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu... link there. It has a bunch of stuff. I believe Apache was based on version 1.3, that was the last one I worked with. NCSA's 1.4 was developed in parallel with the Apache code; there's discussion on the new-httpd list about the duplication of effort. > Thomas may have some other questions, but those are the ones that are of > most interest to me right now. > > Thanks again for your quick response and your willingness to help in > this project. Sure. Hope it helps. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: history-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: history-help@apache.org
For the archives ... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 14:27:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Rich Bowen <rbowen@rcbowen.com> To: Rob McCool <robm@robm.com> Cc: Randy Terbush <randy@terbush.org>, Thomas Eibner <thomas@stderr.net> Subject: Re: Introduction, looking for NCSA httpd history On Wed, 29 May 2002, Rob McCool wrote: > Hi Rich, I'd love to help in any way I can. Let me know what the best way > would be to get started. Thanks for your quick response. We're still a little unprepared, as we are still reading through the email archives (8 years of email takes a while to get through!) but we do have a few questions if you are willing to humor us. By the way, "we" is myself and Thomas Eibner. We'd like to know ... How did you first get involved in the NCSA HTTPd project, and who else worked on that with you? What event(s) resulted in that project's demise, which was the catalyst for Apache? What event(s) resulted in the project's revival, and then its later re-demise? We're trying to track down when the name "Apache" first came into use, and what the real reasons were for that. The earliest email archives we have talk about a decision, but post-date the actual discussion itself. Any memories you may have of that would be helpful. Do you have a release history of NCSA HTTPd, what changes were in the various versions? Any email archives from the development? Do you have the source for any/all of the released versions of NCSA HTTPd? Of most interest would be the version against which the original Apache patches were to be applied. But any versions would be appreciated. Thomas may have some other questions, but those are the ones that are of most interest to me right now. Thanks again for your quick response and your willingness to help in this project. -- Rich Bowen Apache Administrators Handbook - http://www.ApacheAdmin.com/ Cooper McGregor - http://CooperMcGregor.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: history-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: history-help@apache.org
And here's another note that needs to be in the archives:
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Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 05:15:22 +0200
From: Thomas Eibner <thomas@stderr.net>
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To: dev@httpd.apache.org
Subject: Re: Apache History Project - Call for comments
On Sat, May 11, 2002 at 07:24:22PM +0100, Tony Finch wrote:
> On Sat, May 11, 2002 at 09:23:58AM -0700, Aaron Bannert wrote:
> > On Sat, May 11, 2002 at 12:16:48PM -0400, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> > >
> > > +1. I think it's a great idea... I'd like to propose it as an
> > > ASF (sub)project.
> >
> > +1 from me too.
>
> +1
So how do we get anything rolling? Rich and I have cooked up what we see
as an initial roadmap for the project:
General History of Apache
* Before Apache
* Why Apache
* Initial Development Team
* How Apache became one of the most successful OSS projects to date
Apache httpd Release timeline
* Release Date
* Changelog / Release notes
* Tarball
* Usage statistics
* Other Important Release informaton
Version
Release Manager
Security Fixes
New Directives
Changed Directives
State (Alpha/Beta/GA)
Etc.
Apache Software Foundation History
* Project Profiles
* Member Profiles
Join Date
First List Post
Description of work done for project
Subprojects History
* Convince at least one person from each project to participate and
maintain history of that project.
* Short historical description
* Usage statistics
* Same project parts as the httpd history projects
Quote collection from development lists
* Historical comments
* Funny comments
We've already started on the httpd release timeline and we have
information exchanges over IRC that would fit better in a cvs repository,
so we'd really like to get something moving very soon now.
We've put our uptodate writings on http://stderr.net/history/ for now
and anyone is free to look and give suggestions.
One volunteer has already come forward to help us gather data and we've
compiled some statistics from this mailinglist showing how many posts
each person has made since '95:
Total Posts on dev@httpd.apache.org: 87510
1: Dean Gaudet 5184 5.924%
2: Ryan B. Bloom 4521 5.166%
3: Jim Jagielski 4404 5.033%
4: Rob Hartill 4200 4.799%
5: Marc Slemko 3807 4.350%
6: Ben Laurie 3769 4.307%
7: Ken Coar 3457 3.950%
8: Brian Behlendorf 3263 3.729%
9: Randy Terbush 2996 3.424%
10: William Rowe 2859 3.267%
11: Greg Stein 2315 2.645%
12: Roy T Fielding 2099 2.399%
13: Jeff Trawick 1894 2.164%
14: Ralf S Engelschall 1748 1.997%
15: Bill Stoddard 1703 1.946%
16: Robert S Thau 1699 1.941%
17: Alexei Kosut 1684 1.924%
18: Chuck Murcko 1503 1.718%
19: Rasmus Lerdorf 1260 1.440%
20: Martin Kraemer 1202 1.374%
21: Sameer Parekh 1196 1.367%
22: Dirk-Willem van Gulik 1064 1.216%
23: Cliff Woolley 1011 1.155%
24: Manoj Kasichainula 964 1.102%
25: Justin Erenkrantz 953 1.089%
Full list of posters with more than 10 posts can be found at:
http://stderr.net/history/topposters
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The following message was sent May 9, 2002, to the docs and dev list of the Apache httpd project: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 00:01:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Rich Bowen <rbowen@rcbowen.com> To: Apache Documentation Project <docs@httpd.apache.org>, dev@httpd.apache.org Subject: Apache History Project - Call for comments Call for comments Apache History Project We are a few people that are of the opinion that saving a piece of history is very important. That is why we have drafted this call for comments. We want to save as much of Apache's history as possible. Including, but not limited to, old sources, change descriptions, and feature additions (when was a feature added to Apache). Last year Rich Bowen tried to start the effort by writing a draft for the Apache history, but response was sparse and discussions died out. The draft is available from <URL:http://www.drbacchus.com/apache_history.html> The effort we are hoping to start would be a large extension of this effort. Things we'd like to see go down into writing for future Apache users to know are, among others: Netcraft statistics: when did Apache become the most used webserver on the Internet? How is the curve going? What were some of the other players (CERN, NCSA) and what became of them? Members of the ASF: When did they join? What did they do? Profiles of all members of the ASF with a small biography. Pictures from ASF gatherings. Have you got any information that could be helpful to the project? Are you in contact with any of the folks that were involved in the early days, including, but not limited to, the original 8 members, who are not involved any more? Other folks like Tim Berners-Lee, Rob McCool, and various people who were important to the existence and success of Apache. Have you got any source distributions currently not available? We have: 0.6.5 [ .gz broken ] from web.archive.org 0.8.8 0.8.14 [ broken ] from web.archive.org 1.0.0 [ .gz broken ] from web.archive.org 1.0.2 [ broken ] from web.archive.org 1.0.3 [ .gz broken ] from web.archive.org 1.0.4 [ .gz broken ] from web.archive.org 1.0.5 [ broken ] from web.archive.org 1.1.0 [ .gz broken ] from web.archive.org 1.1b1 [ .gz broken ] from web.archive.org 1.1b2 [ broken ] from web.archive.org 1.1b3 from web.archive.org 1.1b4 [ .gz broken ] from web.archive.org 1.1.1 1.1.3 ftp.visi.com 1.2.0 mirrors.xmission.com 1.2b10 ftp.visi.com 1.2.1 ftp.wg.saar.de 1.2.4 ftp.fysik.dtu.dk 1.2.5 ftp.visi.com 1.2.6 mirrors.xmission.com 1.3b3 ftp.visi.com 1.3b5 ftp.visi.com We also have serveral releases of NCSA. Including 0.5. Most importantly missing from the list is 0.6.2, which was the initial release of Apache. We'd like releases in between these, and especially releases before 0.6.5. Duplicates are fine too, since some of the gziped archives are dead. We'd also like to have the NSCA sources, as far back as they are available, against which the early patch distributions were applied. We realize that there are many Apache projects, which have equally interesting historical records that need to be preserved, but we need to start somewhere, and perhaps this will give inspiration to some other folks to work on the other Apache projects. Initiative restarted by Rich Bowen and Thomas Eibner May 8th 2002. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: history-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: history-help@apache.org