On Nov 11, 2009, at 12:35 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Hi, > > I just found the Eclipse project dashboard at http:// > dash.eclipse.org/. > > They've got pretty nice reports, especially the project activity and > diversity charts: > > http://dash.eclipse.org/dash/commits/web-app/active-projects.cgi > http://dash.eclipse.org/dash/commits/web-app/project-diversity.cgi > > Anyone interested in doing something similar for http://projects.apache.org/? Nope, but I would be very interested in a discussion of how to build dashboards that strengthen community in projects v.s. heighten concerns about it. And! It would be on topic. :) - ben --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
2009/11/11 Jukka Zitting <jukka.zitting@gmail.com>: > Hi, > > I just found the Eclipse project dashboard at http://dash.eclipse.org/. > > They've got pretty nice reports, especially the project activity and > diversity charts: > > http://dash.eclipse.org/dash/commits/web-app/active-projects.cgi > http://dash.eclipse.org/dash/commits/web-app/project-diversity.cgi > > Anyone interested in doing something similar for http://projects.apache.org/? Already working in this kind of direction with simal.googlecode.com the data infrastructure is in place (alpha) but there is *very* minimal reporting now. It uses DOAP and FOAF (i.e. what we use on projects.a.o and people.a.o) My intention has always been to bring it into the incubator, never had the time, but we just brought in a developer to focus on moving it forwards. Happy to discuss in appropriate lists if you ware interested. Alternatively, create some tools in lab that will produce the analytics and we'll integrate it into Simal later. Ross --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
Hi,
I just found the Eclipse project dashboard at http://dash.eclipse.org/.
They've got pretty nice reports, especially the project activity and
diversity charts:
http://dash.eclipse.org/dash/commits/web-app/active-projects.cgi
http://dash.eclipse.org/dash/commits/web-app/project-diversity.cgi
Anyone interested in doing something similar for http://projects.apache.org/?
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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I'm sure I must be missing something, but there doesn't seem to be anywhere that's collecting news and announcements from last week's ApacheCon in Oakland. I guess I would have expected to see that show up on the ApacheCon site itself. I'm talking about things like: * Microsoft's sponsorship renewal * Subversion coming to the ASF * Proclamations (or whatever they were!) from the Mayor of Oakland and the Governor of California * Undoubtedly more that I'm missing.. Aren't we making a splash with stuff like this? Even just saying it happened somewhere? -- Martin Cooper --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
Sorry guys, I was supposed to be one of yours, but I got a bad cold two days ago, and I'm still dead tired. I will try to be in better shape tomorrow. I hope you had fun ! Danese Cooper wrote: > Hey Henning, > > I'll have dinner with you :-). I live in San Francisco, but spend a > fair amount of time in the East Bay. What kind of food do you like? > > Danese > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 24, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Henning Schmiedehausen > <henning@schmiedehausen.org> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> it seems that the board is unable to decide whether the dinner on >> Sunday night will/should/can/may include the lesser ASF officers >> (such as PMC chairs), members or anyone else that is up for dinner. >> So be it. >> >> To anyone who is in Oakland by Sunday night: Who is up for dinner? >> I'll probably be at the hotel late afternoon. >> >> -h >> >> > -- -- cordialement, regards, Emmanuel Lécharny www.iktek.com directory.apache.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
Ryan Bloom wrote: > Any chance this will be recorded? It would be kind of fun to see this > for some of the old timers who can't be there. Last I heard, we will have webcasts for downloads of the three keynote sessions for this ApacheCon, so yes. Will update community/party etc with news once they are available to watch. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
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Hi, On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. <geir@pobox.com> wrote: > I volunteer to chair if you need it. That would be great, thanks! I'll send you more details in private. BR, Jukka Zitting --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
I volunteer to chair if you need it. geir On Oct 28, 2009, at 6:20 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Jukka Zitting <jukka.zitting@gmail.com > > wrote: >> >> http://www.nosqloakland.org/ >> >> If you're interested in attending and perhaps presenting something at >> the meetup, please sign up! > > Given the large number of registrations so far I've decided to split > the meetup into two parallel tracks. > > Would someone be interested in chairing the other track? I can't be in > two places at the same time. :-) > > You'd need to start the other track with a few words of introduction > and welcome, introduce and help the speakers, and make sure that they > stick to the schedule. > > PS. I've had people ask for the ability to tune in remotely to the > meetup. I can try setting up a Skype video call for that, but I'd love > to hear if someone has better ideas on how to achieve this. I'm quite > envious of all the good things I hear about the video recordings at > NoSQL Berlin... :-) > > BR, > > Jukka Zitting > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
Hi, On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Jukka Zitting <jukka.zitting@gmail.com> wrote: > > http://www.nosqloakland.org/ > > If you're interested in attending and perhaps presenting something at > the meetup, please sign up! Given the large number of registrations so far I've decided to split the meetup into two parallel tracks. Would someone be interested in chairing the other track? I can't be in two places at the same time. :-) You'd need to start the other track with a few words of introduction and welcome, introduce and help the speakers, and make sure that they stick to the schedule. PS. I've had people ask for the ability to tune in remotely to the meetup. I can try setting up a Skype video call for that, but I'd love to hear if someone has better ideas on how to achieve this. I'm quite envious of all the good things I hear about the video recordings at NoSQL Berlin... :-) BR, Jukka Zitting --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
Next week, on Wednesday morning, we're hosting a Pioneers panel discussion at ApacheCon. We'll be pulling together folks who were there in the delivery room when the new-httpd@hyperreal.org list was born in 1995, as well as others who have been critical to the birth of the Foundation itself and other early Apache projects. It'll be a chance to tell some stories about those early days, shed light on the deeper mysteries of the ASF, find the guy who decided to start using qmail/ezmlm so you can kill him, etc. If you can make it to ApacheCon, please feel free to bring your own stories as well; we'll have time during the panel to hear some of them. Like a warmed-over Ken Burns documentary, we'd also love to be able to show old photos, screen shots of old web pages, and any other visual (or even physical) emphemera representing the Paleolithic era of Apache's history behind us during the panel. Hey, it'd be nice to collect those for the Apache History project anyways, too. So if you have anything from say 2000 or earlier - the first ApacheCon in 1998, perhaps? The first get-together of "core" in San Francisco in 1997, pre-Foundation? Or even if it's just a photo of you and your server from that time - give it a caption and that'll work too. Send your submissions to me via email, or if you feel so inspired, start a page on wiki.apache.org and let the rest of us know. Please send it by Monday night the 2nd, and use the Apache License or CC-BY. See some of you next week? Brian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
Hey Henning, I'll have dinner with you :-). I live in San Francisco, but spend a fair amount of time in the East Bay. What kind of food do you like? Danese Sent from my iPhone On Oct 24, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Henning Schmiedehausen <henning@schmiedehausen.org > wrote: > Hi, > > it seems that the board is unable to decide whether the dinner on > Sunday night will/should/can/may include the lesser ASF officers > (such as PMC chairs), members or anyone else that is up for dinner. > So be it. > > To anyone who is in Oakland by Sunday night: Who is up for dinner? > I'll probably be at the hotel late afternoon. > > -h > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
2009/10/22 Ross Gardler <rgardler@apache.org>: > There has, to date, not been a single use of the academic discount > code for ApacheCon. If you care about this then come to our BarCamp > session on community outreach at ApacheCon - > http://barcamp.org/BarCampApache I'm at the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. I am very surprised at the number of people from other projects who are based at universities, I'd say about 40%. So clearly there are plenty of people in other projects who are from the academic sector (admittedly this is probably skewed by the nature of GSoC). At the time of writing I'm sitting in a session on women in open source. The interesting thing is that not only do we have less academics than I would like but we have less women than others too. Ross --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: > Hi, > > it seems that the board is unable to decide whether the dinner on Sunday > night will/should/can/may include the lesser ASF officers (such as PMC > chairs), members or anyone else that is up for dinner. So be it. > > To anyone who is in Oakland by Sunday night: Who is up for dinner? I'll > probably be at the hotel late afternoon. > I'll be in SF, so count me on. -- -- cordialement, regards, Emmanuel Lécharny www.iktek.com directory.apache.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
On Oct 24, 2009, at 16:38 , Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: > Hi, > > it seems that the board is unable to decide whether the dinner on > Sunday night will/should/can/may include the lesser ASF officers > (such as PMC chairs), members or anyone else that is up for dinner. > So be it. > > To anyone who is in Oakland by Sunday night: Who is up for dinner? > I'll probably be at the hotel late afternoon. I don't get in until about 9:30, so possibly after-dinner drinks would be a possibility. -- Rich Bowen rbowen@rcbowen.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
Simon Pepping wrote: > Robert, > > You recommend that the new key be made the default key. But if it is > only meant to be used for code signing, it cannot be the default key. > Unless this key is on a separate keyring. Right? a keyring can contain more than one secret key. any secret key in the ring can be default. it's up to you but one good way to set things up is to have one, secure keyring for both new and old code signing keys. in this case, the new one needs to be the default. > Is it possible to move secret keys from one keyring to another? http://www.apache.org/dev/openpgp.html#secret-key-transfer (probably need to add a link somewhere) - robert --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > > The Apache Software Fundation's rule - there is no relationships > between superior and inferior. I mean, hierarchy. (bureaucratism is > one of them) Nope. There are those with merit, and those with increasing or decreasing fractions of merit, and those with no merit. Then there are those who literally have negative merit, the amount they have contributed to the foundation is literally insufficient to cover the aggrivation which they have caused to the foundation. This is a rare case, but your litany's to this list come dangerously close to that line. The chair is a founder of the Apache Group, one of 8 who thought that it would be cool to come together and collect patches to improve open source software, one who helped form the foundation, one who served as it's secretary for almost a decade and one who has chaired both the board and the prc for several years. That isn't authority, that is an investment of energy and effort, and demonstrates merit. I'm sorry you still can't make this connection, I believe I'm done trying to point you in the right direction. The most appropriate resolution is likely to consider you persona non grata to the entire community, and if you would like a vote on this matter, this list would be happy to oblige. Otherwise please cease and desist. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
> Tetsuya, you have show the utmost lack of respect on this forum to the > chairman of the organization, who in the most friendly and forgiving way > attempted to nudge you away from inappropriate directions. Noone else > in this organization is so flexible. So your complaint falls on deaf ears. The Apache Software Fundation's rule - there is no relationships between superior and inferior. I mean, hierarchy. (bureaucratism is one of them) Maybe I had been wrongly taken introduction by POI founder and Cocoon/Forrest founder to the weird road from 2003. (oh, 6 years --- long way) I have thought that "merit" will never disappear and it remain forever. Over the threshold, you will have an invitation for membership of the Apache Software Foundation as "individual". Thank you very much to Bill and #chair#, that IT was a wrong way you told me clearly. About the respect upon #chair#, I wrote clearly in PRC list and private lists. I will not say again. Miscommunication. Thank you very much. Mucho Gracias. Tetsuya @ apache --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
> > Plus, I recently found that anybody wanted to say > > "This list is not appropriate, go ****@xx.apache.org instead" answers. > If it's any consolation, I think most of it doesn't belong on any mailing list. Seems that I have been long "absent" from the ASF itself activities, and during the days, so many has changed. In order to remember back and know the changed one, I applied to PRC membership, however, someone (guess who) put the obstacle it seems. Anyways, I could not use http://blog.generationjava.com/roller/bayard/entry/mt_to_roller_migration >> Henri I am very sorry, Thanks Tetsuya --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
Bill Stoddard wrote: > Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: >> ABOUT APACHECON ASIA >> >> >>>> If China would be impossible, Tokyo would be also nice. >>>> And Bali (near Jakarta) would be attractive. 10th anniversary >>>> and Jakarta's 10th anniversary --- "BACK to the FUTURE!" >>>> >>> CN has proven easier than JP. Again, this is a list to discuss >>> communities of >>> coders. Not to first propose moneymaking schemes or new conference >>> sites. >>> >> >> About Bali (Near Java, Jakarta) issue, I know intertnational >> conductors who are >> managing the big events at Bali island. >> About the fact of "STRONG YEN" (against EUR, USD - every!) issue, >> maybe you are >> right, Bill. (In this sense, now Seoul is a good place ... Mmmmm) >> >> Korea, the Republic of (Seoul) >> and China (including Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau) >> would be better than Japan maybe and Japanese Companies >> can be the sponsors if held there. >> >> > > Where is this discussion happening? This is the first and only email I > have on this thread... would like to follow the original discussion. The concom list. Mark > Thanks > Bill >> ---- >> >> >>> If anyone has a fund raising idea which benefits the ASF, email >>> prc@apache.org. >>> If anyone has an tangible conference idea >>> (location/site/hotel/sponsors) please >>> contact concom@apache.org - thank you all for helping us brainstorm >>> these! >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. - President - E-mail: >> <kitahata@99.alumni.u-tokyo.ac.jp> http://www.terra-intl.com/ >> Apache News Online http://www.apachenews.org/ >> FAX: +1-4083512810 (USA) / +81-345209534 (Japan) / +44-2033182683 (UK) >> Tel: +1 408-549-1471 (San Jose, California, USA) >> Tel: +44 20-8133-5458 (London, United Kingdom) >> Tel: +82 70-7893-4581 (Seoul, South Korea) >> Tel: +85 281-701-209 (Hong Kong, China) >> Tel: +81 50-5806-3454 (Tokyo, Japan) >> >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > What would you say to this? What I say is that why would you ask this a few hours later? Email is not a direct point-to-point interface, and some of us can't be online 24/7. So you have asked, I have answered, and you have places to take your ideas. If your new schemes appear on this list, I will presume they are blatent self-promotion of yourself irrespective of whether I can run them through a translator, or if they are pure .gif images that are illegible to the illiterate. If you present them in the appropriate places and they are agreeably good ideas, I welcome the chance to recognize your contributions. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > I had longly thought that this is for the committers' relaxation room. > (Freely but with "RESPECT"s to each other) Tetsuya, you have show the utmost lack of respect on this forum to the chairman of the organization, who in the most friendly and forgiving way attempted to nudge you away from inappropriate directions. Noone else in this organization is so flexible. So your complaint falls on deaf ears. If this was a closed list, you could say whatever you wanted, no harm no foul except for your relationships to individual fellow committers. But that is not how it is perceived that you have used this list or other marketing angles. > If there is no such list, I want such one. Not in the form of ML would > be appreciative also. (There are a lot of SNS exists now) > > If changed in the past, would it be visible? Where can I find out? > Committers (not members) can not see at all? community@ is open to all. that means the general public. that means that you should first work out fundraising or similar ideas on closed lists with the appropriate people, and then introduce them to the public. Right now these appear to be your personal fundraising schemes in the name of the ASF, and that wouldn't have been the case if you approached PRC directly. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Tetsuya Kitahata <tetsuya@apache.org> wrote: > Plus, I recently found that anybody wanted to say > "This list is not appropriate, go ****@xx.apache.org instead" answers. If it's any consolation, I think most of it doesn't belong on any mailing list. -- Eric Covener covener@gmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
Plus, I recently found that anybody wanted to say "This list is not appropriate, go ****@xx.apache.org instead" answers. I had known that general @ jakarta.jp should not be the "TOMCAT" / "TOMCAT" / "TOMCAT" question flow mailing list. (Plus "STRUTS" /"STRUTS" /"STRUTS" - w) However, here's a lot of voice come as such. Why? PRC problem? Moderation would be needless maybe I suppose and freely talking community I want. Please do not be nervous so much. Take care. Tetsuya @ apache ---- > This is not an appropriate answer neither suggestion. > Apache Roller is just one of the options. Maybe I will use forever > movable type (It depends just on my server issue). > If so, Apache Roller user list is meaningless to me. > > > The community list certainly is not the right place for this one. I > > suggest to ask on the Roller users list. > Tetsuya @ apache --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
What would you say to this?
>>Bill ("William A. Rowe, Jr.)
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> Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
> > ABOUT APACHECON ASIA
> >
> >
> >>> If China would be impossible, Tokyo would be also nice.
> >>> And Bali (near Jakarta) would be attractive. 10th anniversary
> >>> and Jakarta's 10th anniversary --- "BACK to the FUTURE!"
> >>>
> >> CN has proven easier than JP. Again, this is a list to discuss communities
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> >> coders. Not to first propose moneymaking schemes or new conference sites.
> >>
> >
> > About Bali (Near Java, Jakarta) issue, I know intertnational conductors who are
> > managing the big events at Bali island.
> >
> > About the fact of "STRONG YEN" (against EUR, USD - every!) issue, maybe you are
> > right, Bill. (In this sense, now Seoul is a good place ... Mmmmm)
> >
> > Korea, the Republic of (Seoul)
> > and
> > China (including Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau)
> > would be better than Japan maybe and Japanese Companies
> > can be the sponsors if held there.
> >
> >
>
> Where is this discussion happening? This is the first and only email I
> have on this thread... would like to follow the original discussion.
>
> Thanks
> Bill
> > ----
> >
> >
> >> If anyone has a fund raising idea which benefits the ASF, email prc@apache.org.
> >> If anyone has an tangible conference idea (location/site/hotel/sponsors) please
> >> contact concom@apache.org - thank you all for helping us brainstorm these!
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> Chances are this is out of date with modern MT and Roller, but here's > how I did it many years back: > > http://blog.generationjava.com/roller/bayard/entry/mt_to_roller_migration Thanks, I will try it out. My "generation" is old ... so.... (lol Tetsuya @ apache --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
This is not an appropriate answer neither suggestion. Apache Roller is just one of the options. Maybe I will use forever movable type (It depends just on my server issue). If so, Apache Roller user list is meaningless to me. > The community list certainly is not the right place for this one. I > suggest to ask on the Roller users list. Tetsuya @ apache --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
Chances are this is out of date with modern MT and Roller, but here's how I did it many years back: http://blog.generationjava.com/roller/bayard/entry/mt_to_roller_migration On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Tetsuya Kitahata <tetsuya@apache.org> wrote: > Now I would like to know how to retrieve the data from .rdf, .atom etc of movable type > to put again to mysql server.... > > Anybody knows? > (Then, I would like to switch to the Apache Roller) > > ---- > > tetsuya @ apache > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
Now I would like to know how to retrieve the data from .rdf, .atom etc of movable type to put again to mysql server.... Anybody knows? (Then, I would like to switch to the Apache Roller) ---- tetsuya @ apache P.S. Is these kind not allowed here? just the matter of moderator? Will I moderate? (JST+0900) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
Dear Tetsuya, Could please bring up your questions at the proper lists. The community list certainly is not the right place for this one. I suggest to ask on the Roller users list. Best regards, Torsten On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 19:20, Tetsuya Kitahata <tetsuya@apache.org> wrote: > Now I would like to know how to retrieve the data from .rdf, .atom etc of movable type > to put again to mysql server.... > > Anybody knows? > (Then, I would like to switch to the Apache Roller) > > ---- > > tetsuya @ apache > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
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Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > ABOUT APACHECON ASIA > > >>> If China would be impossible, Tokyo would be also nice. >>> And Bali (near Jakarta) would be attractive. 10th anniversary >>> and Jakarta's 10th anniversary --- "BACK to the FUTURE!" >>> >> CN has proven easier than JP. Again, this is a list to discuss communities of >> coders. Not to first propose moneymaking schemes or new conference sites. >> > > About Bali (Near Java, Jakarta) issue, I know intertnational conductors who are > managing the big events at Bali island. > > About the fact of "STRONG YEN" (against EUR, USD - every!) issue, maybe you are > right, Bill. (In this sense, now Seoul is a good place ... Mmmmm) > > Korea, the Republic of (Seoul) > and > China (including Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macau) > would be better than Japan maybe and Japanese Companies > can be the sponsors if held there. > > Where is this discussion happening? This is the first and only email I have on this thread... would like to follow the original discussion. Thanks Bill > ---- > > >> If anyone has a fund raising idea which benefits the ASF, email prc@apache.org. >> If anyone has an tangible conference idea (location/site/hotel/sponsors) please >> contact concom@apache.org - thank you all for helping us brainstorm these! >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Tetsuya Kitahata -- Terra-International, Inc. - President - > E-mail: <kitahata@99.alumni.u-tokyo.ac.jp> http://www.terra-intl.com/ > Apache News Online http://www.apachenews.org/ > FAX: +1-4083512810 (USA) / +81-345209534 (Japan) / +44-2033182683 (UK) > Tel: +1 408-549-1471 (San Jose, California, USA) > Tel: +44 20-8133-5458 (London, United Kingdom) > Tel: +82 70-7893-4581 (Seoul, South Korea) > Tel: +85 281-701-209 (Hong Kong, China) > Tel: +81 50-5806-3454 (Tokyo, Japan) > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
Question: > Then please, leave this discussion from this list, and introduce these people > to the concom folks, simply email concom at apache.org with a letter of > introduction, that's all it takes. When this list was changed to "this is a list to discuss communities of coders." "Not to first propose moneymaking schemes or new conference sites."?? I had longly thought that this is for the committers' relaxation room. (Freely but with "RESPECT"s to each other) If there is no such list, I want such one. Not in the form of ML would be appreciative also. (There are a lot of SNS exists now) If changed in the past, would it be visible? Where can I find out? Committers (not members) can not see at all? Just - Now, Creating or testing the SNS Java/Python or Ruby project in Incubator? ---- Tetsuya -------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
2009/10/22 Jeffery Painter <painter@kiasoft.com>: > > Well, the conference is during a week while most of us are in class. That > may be one of the major factors influencing the lack of academic > registrations. That counts for students and some lecturers, I agree. I wouldn't expect students to attend at cost anyway. I'm hoping we will get students/lecturers to BarCamp and MeetUps. However, there are a great many staff in universities who do not have anything to do with teaching - like me for example. Ross > > -- > Jeffery Painter > > >> There has, to date, not been a single use of the academic discount >> code for ApacheCon. If you care about this then come to our BarCamp >> session on community outreach at ApacheCon - >> http://barcamp.org/BarCampApache >> >> On the one hand the lack of academic registrations surprises me - >> there are many unis in the area and they claim to understand the >> importance of open source - they certainly use it a great deal. On the >> other hand it doesn't surprise me for the following reasons: >> >> a) it is massively expensive for academics (lets hope we get some >> academic folk to the freebies, but don't hold your breath) >> >> b) the academic sector does not understand open source - to the extent >> that major projects are usually funded under a hybrid model they call >> "community source" [1] and [2] >> >> c) there is almost no content of interest to the the average academic >> developer - they use Apache software but because of (b) they don't >> realise they can participate. >> >> Point a) is a difficult one to deal with in isolation since we want >> the prices to come down for everyone and the event has to be paid for >> somehow. >> >> Point b) requires a significant amount of outreach from the ASF. There >> is a huge amount of FUD in the sector, most of it born of a lack of >> understanding rather than malice (although a big-corp director >> recently accused my team of being biased towards the GPL in my >> ***non-advocacy*** day job advisory role. Quite amusing since my team, >> understandably, tell me I'm biased towards permissive licences and >> that is showing in our work). >> >> For point c) what we need is activities focussed on awareness of the >> way we do things. If we want people to understand how things work >> around here, we simply cannot expect people to read through our dodgy >> documentation and then jump into a mailing list full of confidence. >> Apache is a very scary place for newcomers, people on this list will >> not recognise that - we're already here and we've got over that >> hurdle. >> >> Take a look at an independent report from one of my recent day job >> events in this context - it happened that 2/3 projects speakers >> represented ASF projects but it was not an ASF event [2]. I intend to >> be doing a session on this at the BarCamp, so please come along and >> help figure out what we can do and, more importantly, what you can do >> to help. >> >> I feel pretty sure that some people will say "we don't need to do >> outreach" - that's fine, some of us think we do need to, so rather >> than standing in our way in this thread I politely request that you >> step aside and let us get on with it - it's not going to *hurt* your >> project (if I'm wrong in this then of course I would like to hear >> those thoughts). >> >> So see you at the BarCamp... >> >> Ross >> >> [1] http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/resources/communityvsopen.xml >> [2] http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/resources/communitysource.xml >> [3] >> http://devcsi.ukoln.ac.uk/blog/2009/10/17/event-report-oss-watch-workshop-engaging-developers-with-open-source-projects/ >> -- >> Ross Gardler >> >> OSS Watch - supporting open source in education and research >> http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org > > -- Ross Gardler OSS Watch - supporting open source in education and research http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
I received an response privately, which said I could repurpose the content anonymously, so here it is, unedited: "I think there's another general reason academics don't participate. I'll call it "reputation protection." The PI has worked a career to establish themselves as an "expert" and then find themselves in a constant pursuit of grants. When the grant is awarded, the PI has some mediocre undergrad/grad students writing the code. If the code were developed in the open, then that code would effectively be [a | the] representation of the lab and thus the lab's reputation would be attributable to the code rather than the PI's credentials/reputation alone. If the code were to be crappy, have major bugs, etc., then the reputation of the lab and future funding could be at risk." I think this is a valid point, but not one that can be applied universally. Firstly, it completely misses the point that there is a great deal of software development in the academic sector which has nothing to do with research outputs and everything to do with managing universities and teaching. These systems are not being developed by students fresh off an undergraduate degree. They are being produced by professional developers and commercial partners. Whern outputs are research oriented (and where I concede software quality is less important) this does not mean the ASF has nothing to offer these people, nor does it mean we have nothing to gain.. Furthermore, it is increasingly being shown that engaging with open source development models is good for your research career [1] for example. Last week I had a consultation with a researcher who told me that he needed to open source his code because a journal required him to do so before they would accept his paper. The merit system we have here can be part of the academic reputation system (I am living proof of that, whilst I am no longer a researcher, I became an ASF member when I was in that role). The above text is a perfect example of the attitude that is often quoted back to academics - it demonstrates a lack of respect for the sector as a whole based on a generalisation. Whilst it is true that a great deal of the software produced in the sector is of little use to others, it is not true that *all* software is of little use. Lets not forget the roots of the NCSA server, or the fact that Roy did his REST work as a PhD student, or that Justin has just published his thesis (there are many others here). The academic sector has the time and freedom to explore, we should welcome those who earn merit into the ASF, but at present we are inadvertently excluding them. NOTE: I am aware that the same can be said of other groups in other sectors and I would welcome representatives from those groups to join us at the BarCamp meetup. One group that springs to mind is women@ Ross [1] http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/resources/cs-texgen.xml 2009/10/22 Ross Gardler <rgardler@apache.org>: > There has, to date, not been a single use of the academic discount > code for ApacheCon. If you care about this then come to our BarCamp > session on community outreach at ApacheCon - > http://barcamp.org/BarCampApache > > On the one hand the lack of academic registrations surprises me - > there are many unis in the area and they claim to understand the > importance of open source - they certainly use it a great deal. On the > other hand it doesn't surprise me for the following reasons: > > a) it is massively expensive for academics (lets hope we get some > academic folk to the freebies, but don't hold your breath) > > b) the academic sector does not understand open source - to the extent > that major projects are usually funded under a hybrid model they call > "community source" [1] and [2] > > c) there is almost no content of interest to the the average academic > developer - they use Apache software but because of (b) they don't > realise they can participate. > > Point a) is a difficult one to deal with in isolation since we want > the prices to come down for everyone and the event has to be paid for > somehow. > > Point b) requires a significant amount of outreach from the ASF. There > is a huge amount of FUD in the sector, most of it born of a lack of > understanding rather than malice (although a big-corp director > recently accused my team of being biased towards the GPL in my > ***non-advocacy*** day job advisory role. Quite amusing since my team, > understandably, tell me I'm biased towards permissive licences and > that is showing in our work). > > For point c) what we need is activities focussed on awareness of the > way we do things. If we want people to understand how things work > around here, we simply cannot expect people to read through our dodgy > documentation and then jump into a mailing list full of confidence. > Apache is a very scary place for newcomers, people on this list will > not recognise that - we're already here and we've got over that > hurdle. > > Take a look at an independent report from one of my recent day job > events in this context - it happened that 2/3 projects speakers > represented ASF projects but it was not an ASF event [2]. I intend to > be doing a session on this at the BarCamp, so please come along and > help figure out what we can do and, more importantly, what you can do > to help. > > I feel pretty sure that some people will say "we don't need to do > outreach" - that's fine, some of us think we do need to, so rather > than standing in our way in this thread I politely request that you > step aside and let us get on with it - it's not going to *hurt* your > project (if I'm wrong in this then of course I would like to hear > those thoughts). > > So see you at the BarCamp... > > Ross > > [1] http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/resources/communityvsopen.xml > [2] http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/resources/communitysource.xml > [3] http://devcsi.ukoln.ac.uk/blog/2009/10/17/event-report-oss-watch-workshop-engaging-developers-with-open-source-projects/ > -- > Ross Gardler > > OSS Watch - supporting open source in education and research > http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk > -- Ross Gardler OSS Watch - supporting open source in education and research http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
Well, the conference is during a week while most of us are in class. That may be one of the major factors influencing the lack of academic registrations. -- Jeffery Painter > There has, to date, not been a single use of the academic discount > code for ApacheCon. If you care about this then come to our BarCamp > session on community outreach at ApacheCon - > http://barcamp.org/BarCampApache > > On the one hand the lack of academic registrations surprises me - > there are many unis in the area and they claim to understand the > importance of open source - they certainly use it a great deal. On the > other hand it doesn't surprise me for the following reasons: > > a) it is massively expensive for academics (lets hope we get some > academic folk to the freebies, but don't hold your breath) > > b) the academic sector does not understand open source - to the extent > that major projects are usually funded under a hybrid model they call > "community source" [1] and [2] > > c) there is almost no content of interest to the the average academic > developer - they use Apache software but because of (b) they don't > realise they can participate. > > Point a) is a difficult one to deal with in isolation since we want > the prices to come down for everyone and the event has to be paid for > somehow. > > Point b) requires a significant amount of outreach from the ASF. There > is a huge amount of FUD in the sector, most of it born of a lack of > understanding rather than malice (although a big-corp director > recently accused my team of being biased towards the GPL in my > ***non-advocacy*** day job advisory role. Quite amusing since my team, > understandably, tell me I'm biased towards permissive licences and > that is showing in our work). > > For point c) what we need is activities focussed on awareness of the > way we do things. If we want people to understand how things work > around here, we simply cannot expect people to read through our dodgy > documentation and then jump into a mailing list full of confidence. > Apache is a very scary place for newcomers, people on this list will > not recognise that - we're already here and we've got over that > hurdle. > > Take a look at an independent report from one of my recent day job > events in this context - it happened that 2/3 projects speakers > represented ASF projects but it was not an ASF event [2]. I intend to > be doing a session on this at the BarCamp, so please come along and > help figure out what we can do and, more importantly, what you can do > to help. > > I feel pretty sure that some people will say "we don't need to do > outreach" - that's fine, some of us think we do need to, so rather > than standing in our way in this thread I politely request that you > step aside and let us get on with it - it's not going to *hurt* your > project (if I'm wrong in this then of course I would like to hear > those thoughts). > > So see you at the BarCamp... > > Ross > > [1] http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/resources/communityvsopen.xml > [2] http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/resources/communitysource.xml > [3] > http://devcsi.ukoln.ac.uk/blog/2009/10/17/event-report-oss-watch-workshop-engaging-developers-with-open-source-projects/ > -- > Ross Gardler > > OSS Watch - supporting open source in education and research > http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
There has, to date, not been a single use of the academic discount code for ApacheCon. If you care about this then come to our BarCamp session on community outreach at ApacheCon - http://barcamp.org/BarCampApache On the one hand the lack of academic registrations surprises me - there are many unis in the area and they claim to understand the importance of open source - they certainly use it a great deal. On the other hand it doesn't surprise me for the following reasons: a) it is massively expensive for academics (lets hope we get some academic folk to the freebies, but don't hold your breath) b) the academic sector does not understand open source - to the extent that major projects are usually funded under a hybrid model they call "community source" [1] and [2] c) there is almost no content of interest to the the average academic developer - they use Apache software but because of (b) they don't realise they can participate. Point a) is a difficult one to deal with in isolation since we want the prices to come down for everyone and the event has to be paid for somehow. Point b) requires a significant amount of outreach from the ASF. There is a huge amount of FUD in the sector, most of it born of a lack of understanding rather than malice (although a big-corp director recently accused my team of being biased towards the GPL in my ***non-advocacy*** day job advisory role. Quite amusing since my team, understandably, tell me I'm biased towards permissive licences and that is showing in our work). For point c) what we need is activities focussed on awareness of the way we do things. If we want people to understand how things work around here, we simply cannot expect people to read through our dodgy documentation and then jump into a mailing list full of confidence. Apache is a very scary place for newcomers, people on this list will not recognise that - we're already here and we've got over that hurdle. Take a look at an independent report from one of my recent day job events in this context - it happened that 2/3 projects speakers represented ASF projects but it was not an ASF event [2]. I intend to be doing a session on this at the BarCamp, so please come along and help figure out what we can do and, more importantly, what you can do to help. I feel pretty sure that some people will say "we don't need to do outreach" - that's fine, some of us think we do need to, so rather than standing in our way in this thread I politely request that you step aside and let us get on with it - it's not going to *hurt* your project (if I'm wrong in this then of course I would like to hear those thoughts). So see you at the BarCamp... Ross [1] http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/resources/communityvsopen.xml [2] http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/resources/communitysource.xml [3] http://devcsi.ukoln.ac.uk/blog/2009/10/17/event-report-oss-watch-workshop-engaging-developers-with-open-source-projects/ -- Ross Gardler OSS Watch - supporting open source in education and research http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: >> About Bali (Near Java, Jakarta) issue, I know intertnational conductors who are >> managing the big events at Bali island. > > Then please, leave this discussion from this list, and introduce these people > to the concom folks, simply email concom at apache.org with a letter of > introduction, that's all it takes. [noted that this reply was moderated to the appropriate lists for further discussion, thanks Tetsuya, look forward to corresponding there, rather than on publicly archived lists.] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: > > About Bali (Near Java, Jakarta) issue, I know intertnational conductors who are > managing the big events at Bali island. Then please, leave this discussion from this list, and introduce these people to the concom folks, simply email concom at apache.org with a letter of introduction, that's all it takes. > About the fact of "STRONG YEN" (against EUR, USD - every!) issue, maybe you are > right, Bill. (In this sense, now Seoul is a good place ... Mmmmm) Very true - we had currency conversion issues even organizing the last EU event in AMS when budgeted in USD. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org