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From: Niclas Hedhman <niclas@hedhman.org>
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Subject: Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:25:51 +0800
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On Tuesday 21 December 2004 12:02, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
> Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> > On Tuesday 21 December 2004 07:54, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> >> Actually, all it takes to veto a change is one PMC member to cast a -1
> >> with a technical justification.  The issue is how a community deals with
> >> those vetos, and how progress can be made by resolving them.
> >
> > So, please bring to the table a particular case, since I fail to recall
> > any such veto being ignored and/or not worked on to be resolved, other
> > than the mentioned Leo Simons' (was he even PMC at the time? still not
> > ignored.) one, which got caught up in a larger mess.
>
> Out of simple curiousity, what would this accomplish?  

That FUD is prevalent in ASF establishment, against its own contributors, for 
unknown reasons, possibly unintentionally, by an unnamed, possibly unknown, 
person or a group of persons. And that FUD is being amplified by everyone 
else into facts, and *I* definately don't like these kind of patterns.

If you bring accusations to the table, back them up with some examples. That 
is what I am asking for.

> If there's a reasonable reason, cool.  Otherwise, maybe we can move
> on.  There'll be no 'winner' here.

I think there is procedural value of walking through what have happened. A bit 
of transparency among how this organization is run vs how it states it is 
run. I would hope that the Board has an interest in that scrutiny of its 
actions is regularly exercised, to clear its honorable members of any 
misdoings, doesn't it?


Cheers
Niclas
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