Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-community-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 2784 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2004 05:58:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 20 Nov 2004 05:58:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 17852 invoked by uid 500); 20 Nov 2004 05:58:38 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-community-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 17612 invoked by uid 500); 20 Nov 2004 05:58:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact community-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: community@apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list community@apache.org Received: (qmail 17598 invoked by uid 99); 20 Nov 2004 05:58:37 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (hermes.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [202.187.40.2] (HELO f2.hedhman.org) (202.187.40.2) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:58:35 -0800 Received: from f2.hedhman.org (f2.hedhman.org [127.0.0.1]) by f2.hedhman.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAK5wTkH015550 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 2004 13:58:30 +0800 From: Niclas Hedhman Organization: Private To: community@apache.org Subject: Re: Florida election shenanigans caught on tape Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 13:58:29 +0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20041119130331.W540@fez.hyperreal.org> In-Reply-To: <20041119130331.W540@fez.hyperreal.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200411201358.29086.niclas@hedhman.org> X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Saturday 20 November 2004 05:04, Brian Behlendorf wrote: > This may be completely inappropriate for this list... Yes it is. ASF is not political, and AFAIU fairly international, and for the non-USA community, this doesn't concern us any more than dirty politics in other countries. > but this, is so, *wrong*. Yes it is. And no matter what side of the political spectrum you sit on, I > know transparency and auditability and trust is important to you - that's > why you're here at Apache. When I called upon more transparency at ASF, I was 'crucified' by mainly the US-based ASF members, saying that secrecy is a necessity. IMHO, that attitude leads to the alleged actions, or the suspicion that the alledged actions could have occurred. The way you make the bed, is the way you are going to sleep. Cheers Niclas -- +------//-------------------+ / http://www.bali.ac / / http://niclas.hedhman.org / +------//-------------------+ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: community-unsubscribe@apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: community-help@apache.org