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From: "James Mitchell" <jmitchell@apache.org>
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Subject: Re: Policy (Was: Playboy mirror logo?)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:39:31 -0400
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For the record (and if I wasn't clear before)  I am NOT against playboy
being a mirror or Apache using the mirror (whether it is being blocked or
not).  I AM against putting a link and/or image that links from Apache to
playboy.

Trust me, I've been all over playboy.com for reasons I don't care to
elaborate on (what can I say, I'm a guy ;).  But I will not sit idly by and
let others (who apparently don't run their own business) put my company at
risk.

I always try to give credit where credit is due (powered by logo and link).
My clients (all but 1) are not skilled enough to want to download something
from a mirror and realize...."oh shit!!, look where its coming from!".
That's not likely to happen.  They _would_ have a problem if one of _their_
clients or customers called and said they clicked their way from their site
to Apache, and on to Playboy.  Hell, I might even get sued.

Here's a little test for you.  Ask the eclipse project and/or IBM if they
would add playboy's logo and link if they agreed to provide some bandwidth
for them.  What answer do you think you will get back?  I can almost assure
you that if it is not "no", it will be "hell no".

Do you even realize how many web sites out there have "powered by" logos and
links to Apache and the various subprojects?

I am begging you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  DO NOT put their logo or link on our (yes,
OUR) web site.  You can't even imagine what the media will do with this if
you do.  God help us all.

If you do this, it will only hurt Apache's name and reputation.

> > If the current mirroring policy is broken, then it should be
> > said so with comments and suggestions on how to fix it.

+1 for rethinking the policy


P.S. Someone please fix the reply-to for this list, my mail client (as much
as it sucks) keeps trying to reply to the person, not the mailing list.

--
James Mitchell
Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist
EdgeTech, Inc.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sander Striker" <striker@apache.org>
To: <jim@jaguNET.com>; "Steven Noels" <stevenn@outerthought.org>
Cc: "Apache Infrastructure" <infrastructure@apache.org>; "Daniel Quinlan"
<quinlan@pathname.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: Playboy mirror logo?


> From: "Jim Jagielski" <jim@jaguNET.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 1:34 PM
>
>
> > If the current mirroring policy is broken, then it should be
> > said so with comments and suggestions on how to fix it.
> >
> > Such policies exist to allow for simple "check-off" type
> > of responses and to avoid the need for discussions and
> > debates. Policies exist to be objective, not subjective :)
>
> +1.
>
> Sander
>


--
James Mitchell
Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist
EdgeTech, Inc.
678.910.8017
AIM: jmitchtx

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dirk-Willem van Gulik" <dirkx@webweaving.org>
To: "Erik Abele" <erik@codefaktor.de>
Cc: "Apache Infrastructure" <infrastructure@apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 9:12 AM
Subject: Policy (Was: Playboy mirror logo?)


>
> Please move POLICY discussion to community@, OR if it is senstive to
> members@ OR if it needs a deceision NOW to board@ (or call a board member
> by phone).
>
> This group, infrastructure@, carries out policy - it does not set it (and
> when this group is in doubt they known where to ask - and have a track
> record of beeing good at that :-);  so lets not waste their scarce time
> debating it here.
>
> The only posting on this topic I expect on this list is a pointer to where
> the discussion is continued and at some time in the future perhaps a
> message setting new dirctions by describing consensus.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dw.
>


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