Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-community-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 82815 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2004 21:52:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 21 Jul 2004 21:52:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 7470 invoked by uid 500); 21 Jul 2004 21:52:27 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-community-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 7280 invoked by uid 500); 21 Jul 2004 21:52:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact community-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: community@apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list community@apache.org Received: (qmail 7260 invoked by uid 99); 21 Jul 2004 21:52:26 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received: from [207.155.252.97] (HELO elephant.cnchost.com) (207.155.252.97) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.27.1) with ESMTP; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:52:23 -0700 Received: from rcsv650.rowe-clan.net (c-24-13-128-132.client.comcast.net [24.13.128.132]) by elephant.cnchost.com id RAA24322; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:52:18 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.17] Errors-To: Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20040721162942.02d6e140@pop3.rowe-clan.net> X-Sender: wrowe%rowe-clan.net@pop3.rowe-clan.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:48:04 -0500 To: community@apache.org From: "William A. Rowe, Jr." Subject: Re: [ANN] HP memo forecasts MS patent attacks on free software In-Reply-To: <33304.10.0.0.5.1090441337.squirrel@10.0.0.5> References: <33387.10.0.0.5.1090379660.squirrel@10.0.0.5> <1090438438.7785.6.camel@localhost> <33304.10.0.0.5.1090441337.squirrel@10.0.0.5> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N At 03:22 PM 7/21/2004, Antonio Gallardo wrote: >While your are right about the licenses cocktail. I think the comment is >OT. The main point to post the article to the list, was let the rest of us >know we are on target. That is all. Perhaps 2 years from now we will know >what is prepared for us. If this is not already prepared. ;-) There is no doubt what's going on in the heads of some of upper mgmt, at Microsoft, IBM, Sun, etc. One has to remember that the corporate management is never of a single mind, tends to shift over time, and every one of us, at one job or another, can think of at least one manager who was at odds with the corporate culture. You know - the one you thought was sinking your company into the ground. We've all had one good example in our lives. One astute reader pointed out, that between the three of them, they have such overwhelming patent portfolios that it makes the concept of 'global thermonuclear war' seem mild. SCO threw their entire enterprise to the winds on one collection of patents and intellectual property, which they believe is the end-all of regaining some value to their company and portfolio. One can argue they had too little at stake -not- to throw this at the wall and decide if it sticks. If it sticks, they win, if it falls to the ground, their company is dead. Wasn't it already? That's VIP-room no-limit Las Vegas poker. But in the case of the 'big three' - Remember Craig Mundie finally read the GPL - and decreed that 'Open Source' was the bane of civilization as we know it. Later, it was pointed out to him that his company's code is chock-full of BSD-licensed software. Then, we began to hear that the GPL was anti-capitalist (quite possibly true), and his true target was revealed, the ability or lack thereof to sell programs, not share code. If Microsoft could take the Linux kernel tomorrow, wrap their fingers around it, twist it and close it as a single-source-solution deployed within every Windows box six years from now, claiming that Windows was more Linux than any 'open source' solution - do we doubt they would pass up that opportunity? Look at how effectively this has played (with BSD) on Mac OS/X? Who doesn't love it :) Knowing how off-base and insane Mundie was two years ago, who would dispute the authenticity of this memo? Does MS have it's entire deathstar legal team pointed at the GPL? Perhaps. But more likely, as they have done time and time again in the past, they have their oem/sales lasers armed with more a more detailed FUD than they feed to the general consumer. Microsoft wants one thing, profits. On one side is competition from Linux and many other players. On the other side, just as potentially troubling to them, are anti-trust regulators on six continents just waiting for the misstep. As folks also pointed out on that thread, this is a battle for far more than one country's pocketbooks, and there are plenty of jurisdictions to contend with who will interpret the GPL, MS's own patents and other IP rights differently. 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