Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-community-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 52811 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2004 16:43:39 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (208.185.179.12) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 17 Apr 2004 16:43:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 44913 invoked by uid 500); 17 Apr 2004 16:43:28 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-community-archive@apache.org Received: (qmail 44769 invoked by uid 500); 17 Apr 2004 16:43:27 -0000 Mailing-List: contact community-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: community@apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list community@apache.org Received: (qmail 44751 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2004 16:43:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pulse.betaversion.org) (62.140.213.123) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 17 Apr 2004 16:43:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 99 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2004 16:43:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO apache.org) (stefano@127.0.0.1) by pulse.betaversion.org with SMTP; 17 Apr 2004 16:43:28 -0000 Message-ID: <40815EB9.7070701@apache.org> Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 12:43:37 -0400 From: Stefano Mazzocchi Organization: Apache Software Foundation User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5+ (Macintosh/20040404) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: community@apache.org Subject: Re: ASF use spamassassin? References: <37883.10.0.0.5.1082160605.squirrel@ags01.agsoftware.dnsalias.com> <408085D9.3070202@apache.org> <1082165815.18167.45329.camel@ighp> <40808D54.6090306@apache.org> <38142.10.0.0.5.1082168876.squirrel@ags01.agsoftware.dnsalias.com> In-Reply-To: <38142.10.0.0.5.1082168876.squirrel@ags01.agsoftware.dnsalias.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms070609070204060108030409" X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N --------------ms070609070204060108030409 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Antonio Gallardo wrote: > Stefano Mazzocchi dijo: > >>David Crossley wrote: >> >>>Surely we can tune SA to minimise false-positives, especially >>>since we have the experts themselves at Apache. >> >>Being an expert in pattern matching doesn't make you an expert in >>understanding what is spam or not for somebody. > > > AFAIK, if anti-spam expert existed, the SPAM problem will be solved years > ago and this is not the case. People is trying to find the anti-spam > solution. The progress in the area is good, but nobody found the right > solution. I personally think the one (or team) who will solve the > anti-spam problem will be part of the computer history for ever! > > Sometime I found you very reluctant to some technologies. Please look > around and you will find that spamassassin is the best we can have right > now in anti-spam technology. This is not casuality that many companies are > building anti-spam product using spamassassin to stop spam around the > world. Currently, spamassassin is scaning millions of mail per day and is > sucessful in that: > > http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/CommercialProducts > > And we (on the ASF) are discusing right not about if will be fine to eat > our own food. :-( I didn't say we aren't not going to use it. I just said that given the size of the email traffic and the variety of people (almost a thousand) that this move will impact, the ASF infrastructure team is considering this with great care and, as usual, doesn't want to rush things, but try to do them right. Besides, there is no hurry since, as I said, you still do all you want from your end without impacting everybody else. -- Stefano. --------------ms070609070204060108030409 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIII7TCC AtEwggI6oAMCAQICAwsi0jANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQQFADBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UE ChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNv bmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0EwHhcNMDMxMTEzMDE0OTU4WhcNMDQxMTEyMDE0OTU4 WjBEMR8wHQYDVQQDExZUaGF3dGUgRnJlZW1haWwgTWVtYmVyMSEwHwYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhJz dGVmYW5vQGFwYWNoZS5vcmcwggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQC2CMYD GJqn0K4hpdDlpgbFlGxlFh2mp5EZyY3cu9nmp2wcl+vGn1Wcc103mshOV7BYHnBnR9CBNI5E /l/S/hKj0jgd0jH9/aKqmExZkLWsC7kCLANKPPDFl/sPGTHnpkQhvUbDjlUZa/h77oVFowBg IZjdJWadNzssPJ5wnGdfuYr+4ZI2xEWjH0tZY6V4TpILRg/jp3F6x/avqjNGBA1KOp6OzXdh 0RfvXEMEXDu6AZTD+flQxOjKp+IHtSO7suwkKg9ffx7Gh2LGKE24sBNE8SEPYHRtchutpQh9 YFW30HVgLgq9rM8lUx6JA7D4akj/A2Wc3tr+BBqpUkvgm3b/AgMBAAGjLzAtMB0GA1UdEQQW MBSBEnN0ZWZhbm9AYXBhY2hlLm9yZzAMBgNVHRMBAf8EAjAAMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBAUAA4GB AGfFFcM8lPwGLk1c5dHqMMbvR+i9MAWCNVoA2mHloOHW3Lv0peihvloRht8+lIK4+LpoygMQ beh+piuu/tcP+Z8W0Gee1pPiy0WfDbg5ZHfNvUswUSkoBP/nxL1yoHifBffxIm5IZNIxIj/l fStsMv5X8Tb/+KZY4T+iU/QU5t6UMIIC0TCCAjqgAwIBAgIDCyLSMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBAUA MGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29uc3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQu MSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgSXNzdWluZyBDQTAeFw0wMzEx MTMwMTQ5NThaFw0wNDExMTIwMTQ5NThaMEQxHzAdBgNVBAMTFlRoYXd0ZSBGcmVlbWFpbCBN ZW1iZXIxITAfBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWEnN0ZWZhbm9AYXBhY2hlLm9yZzCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcN AQEBBQADggEPADCCAQoCggEBALYIxgMYmqfQriGl0OWmBsWUbGUWHaankRnJjdy72eanbByX 68afVZxzXTeayE5XsFgecGdH0IE0jkT+X9L+EqPSOB3SMf39oqqYTFmQtawLuQIsA0o88MWX +w8ZMeemRCG9RsOOVRlr+HvuhUWjAGAhmN0lZp03Oyw8nnCcZ1+5iv7hkjbERaMfS1ljpXhO kgtGD+OncXrH9q+qM0YEDUo6no7Nd2HRF+9cQwRcO7oBlMP5+VDE6Mqn4ge1I7uy7CQqD19/ HsaHYsYoTbiwE0TxIQ9gdG1yG62lCH1gVbfQdWAuCr2szyVTHokDsPhqSP8DZZze2v4EGqlS S+Cbdv8CAwEAAaMvMC0wHQYDVR0RBBYwFIESc3RlZmFub0BhcGFjaGUub3JnMAwGA1UdEwEB /wQCMAAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQADgYEAZ8UVwzyU/AYuTVzl0eowxu9H6L0wBYI1WgDaYeWg 4dbcu/Sl6KG+WhGG3z6Ugrj4umjKAxBt6H6mK67+1w/5nxbQZ57Wk+LLRZ8NuDlkd829SzBR KSgE/+fEvXKgeJ8F9/Eibkhk0jEiP+V9K2wy/lfxNv/4pljhP6JT9BTm3pQwggM/MIICqKAD AgECAgENMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAMIHRMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVy biBDYXBlMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlDYXBlIFRvd24xGjAYBgNVBAoTEVRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5n MSgwJgYDVQQLEx9DZXJ0aWZpY2F0aW9uIFNlcnZpY2VzIERpdmlzaW9uMSQwIgYDVQQDExtU aGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgQ0ExKzApBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWHHBlcnNvbmFsLWZy ZWVtYWlsQHRoYXd0ZS5jb20wHhcNMDMwNzE3MDAwMDAwWhcNMTMwNzE2MjM1OTU5WjBiMQsw CQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoG A1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0EwgZ8wDQYJKoZIhvcN AQEBBQADgY0AMIGJAoGBAMSmPFVzVftOucqZWh5owHUEcJ3f6f+jHuy9zfVb8hp2vX8MOmHy v1HOAdTlUAow1wJjWiyJFXCO3cnwK4Vaqj9xVsuvPAsH5/EfkTYkKhPPK9Xzgnc9A74r/rsY Pge/QIACZNenprufZdHFKlSFD0gEf6e20TxhBEAeZBlyYLf7AgMBAAGjgZQwgZEwEgYDVR0T AQH/BAgwBgEB/wIBADBDBgNVHR8EPDA6MDigNqA0hjJodHRwOi8vY3JsLnRoYXd0ZS5jb20v VGhhd3RlUGVyc29uYWxGcmVlbWFpbENBLmNybDALBgNVHQ8EBAMCAQYwKQYDVR0RBCIwIKQe MBwxGjAYBgNVBAMTEVByaXZhdGVMYWJlbDItMTM4MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBAEiM0VCD 6gsuzA2jZqxnD3+vrL7CF6FDlpSdf0whuPg2H6otnzYvwPQcUCCTcDz9reFhYsPZOhl+hLGZ GwDFGguCdJ4lUJRix9sncVcljd2pnDmOjCBPZV+V2vf3h9bGCE6u9uo05RAaWzVNd+NWIXiC 3CEZNd4ksdMdRv9dX2VPMYIDOzCCAzcCAQEwaTBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMc VGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFs IEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECAwsi0jAJBgUrDgMCGgUAoIIBpzAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMx CwYJKoZIhvcNAQcBMBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0wNDA0MTcxNjQzMzdaMCMGCSqGSIb3DQEJ BDEWBBTrJ/R87njQ2SqlC3E8Psn0OvospTBSBgkqhkiG9w0BCQ8xRTBDMAoGCCqGSIb3DQMH MA4GCCqGSIb3DQMCAgIAgDANBggqhkiG9w0DAgIBQDAHBgUrDgMCBzANBggqhkiG9w0DAgIB KDB4BgkrBgEEAYI3EAQxazBpMGIxCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMSUwIwYDVQQKExxUaGF3dGUgQ29u c3VsdGluZyAoUHR5KSBMdGQuMSwwKgYDVQQDEyNUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwg SXNzdWluZyBDQQIDCyLSMHoGCyqGSIb3DQEJEAILMWugaTBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMG A1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBl cnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECAwsi0jANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAASCAQCYMxNI +VQz1yQcNJBNfbME7EC3okBWT0Yc1tTG0sS1wIIyQdx+WjQ9l5rOS2VUTb+5bvTUiWgm9Kp+ iQOjxSveGDuF7vjuPgKI1Nv5/iOqlyzrNqOHhJczDJ2TdUkK26cetrcYwrKHdcNtxuk8oVsG +inUbDGC6eirRST+37zO8Ywn5t5+EqeDhjVFJSz5mpw7u+XiZFTX7fCW+uPP2TmUOlzO6b6d vpCVLlZz5V45fQHH46GCYTP9NOzTKtS5GwVjNKQiC+rhqUCr3Vym8BxPa7rRYc3w7QMkbAbd OUxQt/7SrfR+sNi+2ZkWshxTGZSrN+HtsjH2NmShEauNZ8XYAAAAAAAA --------------ms070609070204060108030409--