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From Robert Simpson <rsimp...@verizon.net>
Subject Re: [i18n] Internationalization project
Date Fri, 18 Jul 2003 06:02:28 GMT

Thanks for talking to the incubator folks, and for the update.  The reason I had originally
targeted i18n/l10n for Apache is that is the code that I'm primarily familiar with, as a "user"
of the various projects (mostly various Jakarta subprojects, plus Ant and some XML).  Since
I don't really use any of the SourceForge projects (I'm not even sure what their equivalents
of the Apache projects are, except maybe for WebMacro being their equivalent to Velocity,
if that's even from SourceForge), I don't really feel any loyalty to them, or have the motivation
to contribute there, if I'm not using their code.  I'd rather continue contributing to Apache
where I can.

Even if targeted for JG, it still needs to go to the incubator first, so I'm not really sure
where to go from here, except to wait for it to become more obvious to more people that an
i18n/l10n project is needed.  It looks like some missed the fact that there is code involved,
to keep the various translations in sync as additions are made in different languages, and
to produce the programming-language-specific files from the XML translations.

It's pretty much been discussed out on JG, since Feb, and only the final result for the project
structure was what was posted earlier on this list.  So the next step seemed to be to get
it into the incubator.  On JG it hadn't sounded like it wouldn't be that much of a problem
getting it incubated.

Robert Simpson

David Reid wrote:

> OK, well I had a discussion last night with some folks from the incubator
> PMC and frankly it upset me. It was one of those evenings when you realise
> how crap organisations can be and makes you wonder why you bother with them
> :( I really wasn't impressed.
> In fact to give you an idea, the overriding suggestion that came out was
> (paraphrased) "go to sourceforge and when you have a community and code then
> we'll think about adding you to the incubator".
> So, basically that's the only option that the esteemed ASF incubuator
> project appears to offer.
> I'd suggest therefore that you take the discussion back to JG and work on it
> there as at least you seem to have some peope who are interested in it there
> :(
> I wish I could bring myself to be more enthusiastic, but I really don't see
> the point of having the incubator at this moment in time.
> david
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Simpson" <rsimpson@verizon.net>
> To: <Community@Apache.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 1:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [i18n] Internationalization project
> >
> > David - sorry - my intention wasn't to invite people to Jakarta General
> from here, but to see where it should be moved, somewhere "above" JG, as
> indicated by the discussions there.  If this is to possibly become a
> top-level Apache project, where should it be discussed?  (Up to now, I've
> primarily been following Jakarta discussions, since that's the only code
> I've contributed to so far).
> >
> > Andrew - sorry - I hadn't realized that the Community list wasn't open to
> everyone.  If we are to keep the discussion on a list that is open to
> everyone, where would that be?
> >
> > TIA.
> > Robert Simpson
> >
> > David Reid wrote:
> >
> > > Robert,
> > >
> > > Thanks for cross-porting, but please don't try to invite people to
> > > jakarta-general@ from this list! This list has a wider audience and as
> any
> > > internationalization project will fail in it's objectives unless it is
> used
> > > across the entire of the ASF the community@ list would appear to make
> more
> > > sense for these discussions. The fact that the discussion rose to this
> list
> > > from the jakarta-general@ list is a good sign of it's intended
> direction, so
> > > please don't try to reverse that now.The aim of community@ was to foster
> a
> > > sense of greater community within the ASF, not to provide a recuiting
> ground
> > > for jakarta-general@ or any other such list :)
> > >
> > > I really don't think placing such a project anywhere but the incubator
> makes
> > > sense...
> > >
> > > david
> >
> >
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