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From Ben Hyde <bh...@pobox.com>
Subject Re: [proposal] creation of communitity.apache.org
Date Sun, 01 Dec 2002 23:01:13 GMT
I've attempted to enumerate some of my concerns about a suite of 
community pages.  I gather that people see benefit in such pages.  I 
want to be clear that I'm note deaf to those arguments, just 
unconvinced of those benefits.

On Sunday, December 1, 2002, at 04:39 PM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> This proposal is exactly about 'puzzling out how to do that 
> productively in cooperative volunteer teams'.

That's a hypothesis.  I don't particularly buy into it.  I'm one of 
those people who considers the term "company party" a bit of an 

The world is full of people I don't particularly want to be closer too, 
but with whom I'm happy to work closely.  I like the urban rather than 
the small town model of what makes a vibrant community.

> The ASF is currently fragmented. Allow me to say "balkanized".

The fragmentation that concerns me is around only a few things.  I 
don't feel that getting to know all the folks in all the projects is 
one them.

> I see this as a problem. I want to 'puzzle out' how to solve this 
> problem and I think that giving more personal context will help out.

Possibly, possibly not.  I've found it fascinating how not knowing 
personal details seems to have enabled a focus on the task rather than 
the peripheral.   My contributions to these projects is independent of 
my age, my job, my achievements, my screw ups, my degree.

> This is my personal experience. You might disagree. But try to 
> remember if knowing apache group members in person helped the creation 
> of the httpd community.

I was _very late_ to the party, but my impression is that in the 
majority of cases only a handful knew each other outside the work until 
the decision was taken to consider forming the foundation.  I've still 
not met the majority of the HTTPD PMC, nor do I know their age, their 
past, their hobbies, etc. etc.

Note that if you form loyalties based on other attributes, say a common 
love of ballroom dancing, then when it comes time to argue out a tough 
decision about memory management you might just dodge the hard work to 
maintain that relationship.

  - ben

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