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From "Andrew C. Oliver" <acoli...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [proposal] creation of communitity.apache.org
Date Mon, 02 Dec 2002 20:55:54 GMT
Aaron Bannert wrote:

> To me it seems we are trying to solve two problems here:
> 1) A place to put homepages and personal content, including
>    (but not limited to) ASF-related activities and project proposals,
>    as well as individual interests.
> 2) A catalog of the people representing the ASF "community".
> IMO the only time #1 should be hosted on an apache.org
> site is if for some reason the person can not find other space
> to host the content. I am perfectly fine with #2, as we have
> already been doing so with contributor pages for the various
> projects (I happen to think this is more effective than a
> simple list of all 600 or so committers.)

#1 is already there.  

> [more comments below]
> On Monday, December 2, 2002, at 06:47  AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
>> Aaron Bannert wrote:
>>> That is a noble goal, and I support this goal, although I do not think
>>> that an organized soapbox is the right way to do this. The short little
>>> "here's the link to my homepage, oh and I work on this and that 
>>> project"
>>> pages are great. Anything other than that is off limits in my book.
>> First, I don't recall Stefano proposing an organized soapbox.
>> Aaron, can you take a moment and take a peek at 
>> http://www.apache.org/~fielding/ and indicate specifically what you 
>> think should be on and off limits?
> This is an excellent example of what can go right if we host
> people's personal homepages on apache.org. Do you believe
> that every other page we host will turn out the same way?
>> Overall, I would like to see this discussion move away from 
>> http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/straw.htm arguments (which, 
>> to be fair was in response to an argument which at best contained 
>> http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/pl.htm, and quite possibly 
>> could be categorized as 
>> http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/attack.htm ).
>> What I would like to see this discussion move towards is concrete and 
>> specific proposals and objections.  And towards building consensus.
>> For starters, we have http://incubator.apache.org/whoweare.html .  
>> Now let's entertain the notion of augmenting this allowing each 
>> committer to specify (via a completely opt-in basis) with a single 
>> hypertext link to the page of their choice.  As has been pointed out, 
>> this is not materially different that what has been in place on 
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/members.html for quite some time.
> I have no problem with this, as long as the individual pages are
> hosted elsewhere than the apache.org namespace.
> Note that I didn't say "hosted elsewhere than on the ASF infrastructure".
> As long as the people who own the hardware and pay the bandwidth bills
> don't mind*, I would have no problem with a vhost entry for, say
> www.friendsofapache.com or www.peopleofapache.com or even
> www.amiapacheornot.com (tongue-in-cheek :), as long as it
> doesn't imply that it is officially ASF.
> *I considered offering hosting space for ASF people who have no other
> place to put their stuff, but I don't think I have sufficient bandwidth
> or reliable-enough hardware...
> Although, I believe per-project listings of contributors with offsite
> links is more effective, I won't move to block a flat list of
> every ASF-community member.
>> If acceptable, then lets explore what guidelines we need to place (if 
>> any) on the content of pages and how such guidelines are to be 
>> enforced.  Should the guidelines be different for on-site and 
>> off-site content?
> As Justin pointed out, we get automatic oversight right now when someone
> makes a change to a project website, including the contributor listings.
> This works very well for code commits, so whatever we come up with should
> probably have the same level of oversight.
>> I personally would advocate very minimal guidelines, if any, but 
>> would be willing to compromise if that would increase consensus.
>> Is there anyone out there willing to contribute specific proposals 
>> along these lines?
> -aaron
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