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From Justin Erenkrantz <jerenkra...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [proposal] creation of communitity.apache.org
Date Mon, 02 Dec 2002 04:23:35 GMT
--On Sunday, December 1, 2002 7:23 PM -0800 Stefano Mazzocchi 
<stefano@apache.org> wrote:

> There are 450 people with commit access. Each one of them can put
> something in our servers that can screw the ASF, including web
> sites.
> Why is this any different?

Because of community oversight.  There are no mechanisms within the 
ASF that allow an individual any degree of freedom without some 
degree of oversight and mandated collaboration.  For example, no 
release can be made without three committers approving it.  For 
example, all CVS commit message end up at some mailing list where the 
interested participants review them.  For better or worse, all of our 
processes are designed to limit the ability of a single person to 
corrupt the ASF or its projects.

That's the benefit of the ASF - this isn't SourceForge where a person 
can do something on their own.  IMHO, that is why Sam's allusion to 
the JSPA index left out a key point - within hours, the community had 
enforced oversight and removed that item from the front page (Ted 
moved it to the 'news' page).  Furthermore, a discussion ensued in 
the appropriate forums as what to do next.  Eventually, an 'official' 
position on the JSPA was reached and posted on the website.  The 
community oversight process worked beautifully.

Yet, a personal web site is just that - personal.  It's purposely not 
part of the ASF community.  There's no oversight.  Therefore, I 
question what benefit can be gained by endorsing personal web sites 
hosted on the ASF infrastructure.  -- justin

P.S. There are about 590 people with commit right now!

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