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From "Andrew C. Oliver" <acoli...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Subtle barriers to entry
Date Mon, 04 Nov 2002 22:18:08 GMT
So do it.  I put the link up for POI on this page: 
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html but I was afraid of 
retribution if I put it up for others.  


Costin Manolache wrote:

>On a related issue - I think it would be very nice to include a link to
>gmane news gateway. There are quite a few people using it ( I'm no
>longer directly subscribed to any list ), and I think it should be at 
>least mentioned.
>I don't know if a news server taking the feed for US distribution or our
>list mirrors is possible - I can help setting it up if there is enough
>interest (and resources). 
>( and if you know someone at google who can get the feed into their
>news archives - we would solve the search issue very well :-)
>On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 12:01, Chuck Murcko wrote:
>>I've noticed in looking around the Apache sites that there's a lot of 
>>inconsistency in providing links (usually in the sidebars) where people 
>>can get on the mailing lists. Some projects, like Foundation, HTTP 
>>Server, Cocoon and Forrest, provide wide gateways for participation. 
>>Big, friendly, colorful, clearly marked links. Many have "Getting 
>>Involved" sidebars that link to lists of things, and the mailing lists 
>>are in there. Some befuddled me in attempts to find any mailing lists at 
>>all without going to the project's main page. "Home" != "Get Involved" 
>>to me.
>>I speculate that one factor in the breadth and quality of development 
>>community is the number of clicks it takes to find the -dev list, the 
>>general navigation semantics of the site, and the amount of camouflage 
>>those links have, whether on purpose (in the case of Jakarta it sure 
>>seems that I am being forced to read the guidelines and then be clever 
>>enough to notice the link - no bypassing Mom on this page!) or not.
>>Is this just driven by the number of config questions and "suscribe" 
>>(and other) trolls to the dev lists? Or the rising percentage of 
>>doofuses in the net world? I knew we should never have let AOL hook up 
>>that gateway to the net. 8^)
>>I ask because I'm laying out a Jakarta project site, and I'm used to the 
>>-dev list guidelines being something short and sweet, like "lurk a bit 
>>before jumping in, and search the archives to see if your question (if 
>>that's the only reason you're here) has been answered".
>>Or maybe I should just point users to 
>>http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html, and say "Read before posting; if 
>>you don't, YMMV widely". I presume all here have read that.
>>Just MHO on a community issue.
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