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From "David Reid" <dr...@jetnet.co.uk>
Subject Re: comments on the votes
Date Sun, 03 Nov 2002 09:41:36 GMT
Or that they thought the whole thing was so ridiculous that they couldn't be
bothered replying...

david

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew C. Oliver" <acoliver@apache.org>
To: <community@apache.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 1:08 AM
Subject: Re: comments on the votes


> I would not expect for most votes to get more than a 25-50% turnout
> provided the vote is going the direction the person would like.  Ken
> gave a subscription figure that was much higher, so I suspect that this
> was the result of the silent majority feeling sufficiently represented.
>
> Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
>
> >Hi Stefano,
> >
> >It looks like there were only 69 votes cast. How many committers
> >do we have in all? My intuition had been that it was >> 69, but I
> >could be wrong.
> >
> >I wonder whether this list has brought over a sufficient mass
> >of the community to be representative of the community. One could
> >of course argue that for this particular list we only care about
> >the opinion of the members of this list ..
> >
> >Sanjiva.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Stefano Mazzocchi" <stefano@apache.org>
> >To: <community@apache.org>
> >Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 4:31 PM
> >Subject: comments on the votes
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>The previous message was a dry summary of the votation, but here I would
> >>like to comment it.
> >>
> >>First of all, I was very happy to see that 'openness' doesn't appear to
> >>be a quality of any particular group of people. I perceive this somewhat
> >>reducing the value of Sam's thesis that jakarta has an 'open' attitude
> >>that the rest of the ASF doesn't have.
> >>
> >>I saw individuals voting on their own personal feelings and the results
> >>where that voting results are very diverse.
> >>
> >>I consider this a healthy sign that communication is really taking place
> >>and this list might well make a difference in the creation of the
> >>*perception* of a ASF-wide community.
> >>
> >>Moreover, the majority expressed no reasons to restrict the
> >>'transparency' of this list (thru public archives), but was concerned on
> >>the ability for everybody to subscribe, but my perception is that it was
> >>not due to some 'unopen' practices, but only to the worry that S/N ratio
> >>would lower as it happens, for example, on general@jakarta
> >>
> >>The result of this votation turns this list into a sort of 'house of
> >>representatives' where only elected people are able to talk, but
> >>everyone is able to read the digests.
> >>
> >>Ah, one personal comment, we really need a better voting system :) doing
> >>it by hand is boring and very time consuming :/
> >>
> >>Roy, how do we use your voting system? can it be extended to committers?
> >>
> >>--
> >>Stefano Mazzocchi                               <stefano@apache.org>
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