Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact community-help@apache.org; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list community@apache.org Received: (qmail 4965 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2002 17:58:36 -0000 Received: from hughes-fe02.direcway.com (66.82.20.92) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 30 Oct 2002 17:58:36 -0000 Received: from spinnaker ([64.157.32.1]) by hughes-fe02.direcway.com (InterMail vK.4.04.00.00 201-232-137 license dcc4e84cb8fc01ca8f8654c982ec8526) with ESMTP id <20021030175500.HOZT14813.hughes-fe02@spinnaker> for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:55:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:58:22 -0700 Subject: Re: ASF Membership Nomination Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Chuck Murcko To: community@apache.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <3DBFE0A5.20604@apache.org> Message-Id: <2E1D8508-EC31-11D6-802A-003065F93D3A@topsail.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 06:37 AM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > > While I would like to continue with open processes that are kept > private only when specific events require it. > Why? mostly because of the perception given to the people. > Perception is important, expecially in building a community. > But at the end, I think there is very little difference between the two > processes technically, what is important is just the perception given > to the people of the community. > And I think this list shows that Jakarta is much healthier than the > rest of the ASF in that respect. Even if, sometimes, they have been > even *too* open. > But keeping things balanced is a very difficult thing. > I would ask if it has ever been asked if there is a downside to total openness. I would also say that my experience has been that total openness on these sorts of projects has resulted merely in all the private discussion going out of band, so almost everyone gets to feel equal in their exclusion. Chuck