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From d...@multitask.com.au
Subject Re: [Ant nudge STATUS] Better than we thought...
Date Sat, 26 Oct 2002 12:37:09 GMT
What would this mean for the Jakarta PMC as many of them are part of Ant? 
Do these PMC'ers do double duty?
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"Andrew C. Oliver" <acoliver@apache.org> wrote on 26/10/2002 10:04:43 PM:

> >
> >
> >> The idea:
> >>
> >> ant.apache.org would become a valid url 
> >
> >
> >
> > Good move - presumably could be indendent of the rest of the points ?
> 
> 
> This has been asked but not answered.  I think the answer is probably no 

> as those are reserved for top level projects.  (I prefer the answer to 
> be yes...but I don't think it is)
> 
> >
> >>
> >> ant would have its own PMC composed of whomever the committers decide 

> >> (I guess)
> >> ant would report directly to the board
> >
> >
> >
> > Pros and cons - appears to me that the main issue is general 
> > discontinuity of the value perception - committers look at a PMC and 
> > see it as an overhead and something to push into the furthests reaches 

> > of their minds - board members see this is the accountability 
> > mechanisms - I'm still thinging about this one - I know there is 
> > something wrong with the model but I don't have througts together yet.
> 
> Understandable.  Another benefit:  greater self determination.  Although 

> its in a less tangible way as Jakarta committers have great deal of 
> this.  But you need to think not only about ant but in a global kind of 
> manner (the ASF as a whole)
> 
> >
> >>
> >> unresolved (but I think open...or maybe I'm wrong)
> >> relationship between ant and Jakarta (I'm assuming it would answer to 

> >> Jakarta only in name/branding) 
> >
> >
> >
> > Good move - leverage Jakarta (brand etc.).
> 
> agreed.
> 
> >
> >>
> >> jakarta.apache.org/ant still valid url?
> >
> >
> >
> > Should be.
> 
> agreed
> 
> >>
> >> greater access to the members/board
> >
> >
> >
> > Questionable given the PMC concept verus community disconnect I'm 
seeing.
> 
> well principally you should be interested in this communication. 
>  Another PRO...
> more opportunity for ant committers to become recognized and achieve 
> membership.
> 
> >
> >>
> >> Disadvantage
> >> reporting directly to the board (from a laziness perspective...I 
> >> think you have to actually "report" though I could be wrong)
> >> you'd be the first to make the transition
> >
> >
> >
> > My impression is that this something comming (which I happen to think 
> > is long overdue).
> 
> which this would help achieve..
> 
> >
> >>
> >> Ant is the project I personally would like to see be top level most. 
> >> Suggestion:
> >> Someone who understands the proposed process of this happening draft 
> >> a formal proposal to be voted on..
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm not on the ant list but I would be definaterly keen to see such a 
> > proposal cross posted to community@
> 
> yes.  or just moved there.
> 
> >
> > Cheers, Steve.
> >
> >>
> >> -Andy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> 
> 
> 
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