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From "Andrew C. Oliver" <acoli...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta
Date Sun, 27 Oct 2002 00:47:52 GMT
Awesome.  Thanks Erik.  You're like a pillar of the Java side of Apache 
and I mean that.  
And you write a nice book too ;-)

-Andy

Erik Hatcher wrote:

> Count me in for providing whatever assistance I can spare for helping 
> Tapestry join Jakarta.  Just ping me and let me know what if anything 
> I can do to help.
>
>     Erik
>
>
> Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
>
>> Mr Ship,
>>
>> I totally disagree with Pier's statement (and you'll find many here 
>> will feel the same as I on this).  The opinion of Tapestry joining is 
>> very good.
>> Realize Apache is more like a confederation than anything.  So 
>> different people feel
>> differently.  We're still ironing out a new process as Pier said, 
>> however most folks I've
>> spoken to have felt that the Apache voting rules must be adopted as a 
>> first step not
>> later.  Dion and I have both committed to helping you with this 
>> transition (though I don't
>> think he ever stated so publically...Dion?).  And I'll be happy to 
>> subscribe to the tapestry
>> list if you desire and help you build the structure.
>>
>> The steps as I see them:
>>
>> 1. Adopt apache voting rules
>> 2. Vote to join and relicense (in one swoop)
>> 3. Submit a formal proposal
>> 4. You're in
>>
>> The challenges ahead are:
>> 1. Apache: figure out what the procedure is that you will join under  
>>      (my position is it doesn't matter as long as things are relaxed 
>> on you because we wanted
>>       to try something out and that things aren't full of extra 
>> hurdles because the procedure is
>>       in transition)
>> 2. Tapestry: Find your voting committers, reorganize yourself into a 
>> meritocratic structure
>> 3. All: Patience and due dilligence.
>>
>> Me & Dion
>> 1. Find a sponsoring member
>> 2. Assist you in reorganizing
>> 3. Assist you in your propoasal
>> 4. Make our case
>> 5. Assist you in getting your sources/structures here.
>>
>> Thats as clearly as i can lay it out.  Hopefully others will chime in 
>> constructively and clear up anything I got wrong or is fuzzy ;-)
>>
>> -Andy
>>
>> Pier Fumagalli wrote:
>>
>>> On 26/10/02 15:01, "Howard M. Lewis Ship" <hlship@attbi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>> So, this went out about a week ago, and the guidelines only cover 
>>>> as far as
>>>> publishing a proposal on the Jakarta General List.  What is the 
>>>> next step?
>>>>
>>>> So far, I haven't seen any real negative responses, and a lot of 
>>>> positive
>>>> ones (I think a lot of ex-WebObjects folks are lurking about :-)).  
>>>> I could
>>>> summarize in more detail if that would be helpful.  Obviously, the PMC
>>>> hasn't really weighed in.  Again, what next?
>>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not being a committer to any of the Jakarta projects, and not being 
>>> a PMC
>>> member, I can't say much on this, but from a general feeling that I 
>>> gather
>>> from different parts of the foundation, I would say that _right_now_ 
>>> the
>>> timing is not that great because of the "big reorg" going around ASF 
>>> wide.
>>>
>>> But the decision is left to the Jakarta committers and PMC members...
>>>
>>>    Pier
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
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